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Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by zxcvbn4038 »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #168
zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #85

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It took years but all of my old Usenet posts eventually were removed. The people running archives tended to be real jerks about it - I’m pretty sure a couple of them got off on telling me no with long hand typed explanations, but in the end most of them were running archives on their employer’s equipment and when they switched jobs, got let go, or retired they couldn’t take it with them and nobody else wanted to main…

The jerk was someone publishing something publicly, voluntarily, then perversely trying to make anyone who might have saved their copies of the thing you gave them, delete them. I'm amazed anyone gave you the time if day. I can't imagine I'd have even answered. I certainly never signed any kind of copyright agreement when I started posting on BBS's or newsgroups. Somewhere on one or more old hard drives somewhere I m…

Different situation but same overall attitude. I'd send a polite one-line request asking to remove a specific message and I'd get back three or four hand-typed pages where the person was gloating that I was powerless to make them do anything, basically the the same thing I see revenge porn victims going through - though nobody ever tried to charge me to remove a post and nobody went the route of re-posting my messages to spite me.

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by crispyambulance »

vlovich123 wrote: post #102
ineedasername wrote: post #88

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It shouldn't matter whether or not it's hilarious. Attempts at humor often fall flat on the internet and are somewhat frowned on per HN guidelines. You're objectively wrong and anyone who agrees should chime in to say so. Disagree? Fine, but come to this thread to tell us why. #s

Humor is an integral part of the human experience and connecting with someone else. Saying “ban humor” leaves the community very sterile.

> Saying “ban humor” leaves the community very sterile.

...or makes it even more hilarious.

Because you really can't "ban" humor. A moderator who actually thinks that's possible will soon have humor flying over their head. Even Stackoverflow has humor despite the best efforts of the self-appointed vote-to-close police.

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by ljm »

mmcgaha wrote: post #78
Silhouette wrote: post #32

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Every ISP I used a decade or two ago had its own Usenet server. No ISP I have used in recent years does. They have all been switched off, with the ISP citing low levels of use. It's hard to blame them, with modern Web-based discussion forums able to do better in almost every way, but that's a lot of freely available information and insight about a lot of subjects that is being consigned to history. Maybe one of the o…

In the mid 90s the only reason that I wanted internet access was for usenet. The web felt insignificant compared to the information available on usenet. It did not matter the topic, there was a discussion group for it. Web sites and services slowly started to move me away from reading Usenet to the point today where I check posts maybe three times per year. For the heck of it, I just fired up tin to see how many post…

I could imagine accessing terminals in System Shock or Deus Ex and just reading a few lines of those descriptions to show what kind of thing the owner was interested in.

The old internet truly is a window into a different world.

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by jes »

pjmlp wrote: post #57
themihai wrote: post #15

People should get used to be deplatformed. I see this as a good thing. Maybe the cloud lock-in madness will stop.

Nah, using cloud VMs over Web browsers feels just the same as X Windows Terminals to DG/UX central server in 1994, just with a prettier interface.

I used both DG/UX and MV/UX. I was sad to see both DEC and DG go out of business.

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by oooooooooooow »

ineedasername wrote: post #131
coldtea wrote: post #120

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Well, they should. Permanent record of every small transgression or juvenile excess or stupidity is inhumane...

What's inhumane is making every small transgression into some stigma that should follow a person around their whole life. I don't think we fix that by erasing all traces of the transgression, which in many cases may be practically impossible.

It's not obvious to me whether changing the view on transgression and stigma is practically possible.

In my experience it's strongly tied to personal experience: if I committed a transgression in my past I'm going to be more understanding towards others doing the same (still depending on the nature of the transgression and my rationalization of it). It's also worth nothing that what constitutes a transgression changes with the times, and often the public seem to forget/ignore this fact and retroactively apply stigma and resentment.

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Post by arp242 »

gostsamo wrote: post #166
hvocode wrote: post #109

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Not everything is deserving of being treated as historical artifacts worthy of retention. A friend has lamented that when he was in college in the late 80s, he used USENET as a way to connect with people and work through some pretty heavy emotional challenges. Retaining his personal struggles is hardly "history" - if anything, the historical value of retaining the struggles of one inconsequential person is far lower…

You'd be surprised from what is considered history. Nowadays, insights into the lives and emotions of ordinary people are considered invaluable tool in recreating the past: the context in which political, economical, and cultural developments happened. In fact, the spontaneous nature of certain artifacts makes them more valuable, because what we would call "official history" is always editorialized and subject to the…

I think the biggest difference/problem is that these people are still alive in many cases, whereas the authors of historical letters are not. This is a big difference, I think.

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by gostsamo »

arp242 wrote: post #177
gostsamo wrote: post #166

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You'd be surprised from what is considered history. Nowadays, insights into the lives and emotions of ordinary people are considered invaluable tool in recreating the past: the context in which political, economical, and cultural developments happened. In fact, the spontaneous nature of certain artifacts makes them more valuable, because what we would call "official history" is always editorialized and subject to the…

I think the biggest difference/problem is that these people are still alive in many cases, whereas the authors of historical letters are not. This is a big difference, I think.

O, yes, I agree. It would be ideal if peoples actions are like state archives (accessible 50 years after the fact). However, I wanted to underline how inconsequential people actually matter in history.

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by u801e »

gigatexal wrote: post #169
ruined wrote: post #164

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Personal attacks are not cool on HN. We ban accounts that post like that. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and don't do it again.

Wait what? I was singing HN’s moderators namely Dang. There’s no personal attack here. If it’s not clear I was saying bannable speech and such would not be tolerated here because of the good moderation.

I think this may have been an attempt at humor by ruined where the post they made employs similar phrasing that dang uses when he's informing a user about a violation of the HN guidelines.
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