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US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins

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Re: US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins

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I'm no fan of the Trump administration or their handling of COVID, but they didn't throw doctors in jail or censor their research. Entirely different level of screwup.

At the state level you had that dashboard whistleblower scientist jailed.

That's not the same administration. It's perhaps an issue that could have also happened in many other states in the US, but the comment was about the Trump administration.

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Perhaps the virus was a lab leak. But maybe you’re looking at the wrong country for it. I mean, name any other country that has a lot of biological weapons labs all over the world.

This is wrong, even deceitful, for a couple reasons: 1) No country (officially, or afaik in reality) has a bio weapons lab, and certainly not "all over the world". Nobody (well, nobody official) ever said the Wuhan virus lab was a bioweapon lab; it's a virology lab. 2) The Wuhan virus lab has been experimenting with corona viruses for a long time, including gain of function, and it had a history of problems. 3) There…

Fort Detrick was a bio weapons lab that has since closed but US has plenty more around the world, and likely, many that are undisclosed.

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Shhh, we need to cover the uncomfortable truth that our numbers could have been better if we took (and take) the threat serious

By that same logic - Did you ever leave your house feb 2020 to now? If you did, you could’ve done more.

I turned into a freakin' hermit... How about you?

Re: US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins

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I found it interesting that on HN, without concrete evidence, when OP says: don't ever trust {A} on issue {B}. Depending on what A, B is, OP will usually get treated differently. A -> CCP. OP -> a concerned citizen. A -> Race/Color/Religion/Gender. OP -> Racist/Sexist. A -> Trump. OP -> a concern citizen. A -> Scientist. OP -> conspiracist. But one thing that I am sure is that it'll never ever be constructive. Not me…

I mean, if you say “don’t ever trust” an entire race/sex, then yeah, by definition you are racist/sexist.

I agree. The problem arises when people predominantly of a certain race or sex attempt to define the narrative around racism or sexism that affects another race or sex. It's a little difficult to find that trustworthy, in my opinion. People should be trusted to speak about data and other verifiable sources as well as their own experiences.

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Maybe in BSL-5 labs? Must be in rural isolation, NOT a city. The administrators and janitors and everyone has to sleep inside the fence. Getting out requires spending 40 days in a quarantine hotel in a different nearby fenced area. Armed guards patrol the fence. (EDIT: To be clear. BSL-5 doesn't exist yet... but it should.)

You’re not going to get any good researchers to live in a quarantine bubble for their whole lives.

Then don't do it.

Re: US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins

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First gen Chinese, grew up in NA. Have contact with relatives "on the ground". My own experience: Don't ever trust the Chinese government on issues that could potentially involve the reputation of the party. Note that I'm not saying don't trust what CCP says, ever (sometimes they actually do good things) - just not on issues that involve anything to do with how the world might perceive them. Which is exactly what thi…

I'm naive, I'll own that. But I don't see how having a virus start within your borders is a decided reputation issue. Particularly if your numbers end up so well compared to, say, the US. So, the lack of transparency then makes China look real guilty, making the lab virus option seem a lot more likely.

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First gen Chinese, grew up in NA. Have contact with relatives "on the ground". My own experience: Don't ever trust the Chinese government on issues that could potentially involve the reputation of the party. Note that I'm not saying don't trust what CCP says, ever (sometimes they actually do good things) - just not on issues that involve anything to do with how the world might perceive them. Which is exactly what thi…

That applies to any government. US lies, cheats, steals as admitted by Mike Pompeo when he was head of CIA.

Fucking kill yourself, CCP shill

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Is it just me or is there a deep irony here? I find it interesting that one of the oft maligned attributes of religious communities, especially those in authority in said communities, is this same behavior. Do good things and be open, but also very much protect the brand. As a naive westerner I've hear/learned/assumed that Chinese communism/society was areligious. When described as you (OP) put it, it seems that abst…

The experience of changing from someone who believes all aspects of the “orthodoxy”, to someone who accepts that there are flaws in it, can be strikingly similar. A Chinese friend once described to me the week he discovered YouTube after going to study in America, when for the first time he saw videos of Chinese leaders (2000-era) behaving very rudely toward reporters. He found that shocking, and over the next few we…

The great firewall is deterrent to spreading fake news, disinformation, and lies among the masses(1.4B) who make take it for truth resulting in social divisiveness and potential violence of which is happening in the US w/only 1/4 of the population.

That said, the firewall is easily bypassed with VPN by many with the means to do so. Chinese govt does not view this as contradiction with their policy as it is deemed those able to read Englis/foreign news are educated enough to discern the truth.

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