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Post by FpUser »

brmgb wrote: post #398
jacurtis wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "On February 10th, a new Canonical Sales Representative contacted one of these developers via LinkedIn, with a poor choice of word. In light of this incident, Canonical will be reviewing its sales training and policies." The part I find the most enlightening (ie: disturbing) is that Canonical's only regret is that the sales rep used "a poor choice of word" and they will train their salespeople better. I assume the…

I like how the vocabulary you use imply there is something highly nefarious happening here whereas it is all fairly standard direct marketing based on an exchange of data clearly highlighted in the TOS. I don't really understand why everyone is up in arms here. In this case, Microsoft is basically a reseller. They told Canonical that they sold one of their product to a customer and Canonical reached out on LinkedIn,…

>"This is basic direct marketing in a B2B context. It's all pretty tame."

Well maybe it is ok from that perspective. However my personal reaction as a customer to such sales approach would simple be something in line of GFY to that salesperson.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by 015a »

jackson1442 wrote: post #359
throwaway077445 wrote: post #187

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I love how being contacted by a salesman that is acting accordingly to the terms of the contract he accepted is BAD! but publishing a private message without consent and without obfuscating name and surname is RIGHT! Some devs have complete disconnect from reality. (ofc he screams #censorship)

I personally have no qualms publicly posting corporate solicitations on the internet. Had it been a message of personal nature, it would be an entirely different story. Regardless, it seems abundantly clear that this is his _job_, and he is not at fault for following the directions of his corporate overlords. No one's saying to go trash his house, and all the information he posted (name, photo) is publicly attached t…

Agreed; while redacting the name and photo would be the cordial thing to do, I don't believe these actions warrant a ban. There is a difference between posting the name of someone who didn't make an effort to be public, and the name of someone who has a public profile on a public social network (Linkedin) in the course of an unsolicited communication.

Think it through for a second; if he had, instead of posting the name and avatar of the user in the screenshot, at-tagged the sales rep's Twitter account; would he have gotten banned? I think not. That's totally normal behavior on Twitter; it happens a billion times every day. And its exactly the same thing.

Twitter has, in the past, left Trump's account up for far, far worse offenses. They need to get their act together. The word I'm hearing around Wall Street is that Twitter's moderation strategy is one of the bigger reasons why the company is so undervalued, and investors are becoming concerned that there's too much Emotion, not enough Process, in their decision making, well, process. Its a critical thing to get right in a social media platform; too little and you get Parler or russian election interference, too much and it becomes unusable. Twitter is getting it wrong; very very wrong.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by elihu »

goodpoint wrote: post #335
j16sdiz wrote: post #216

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I am not sure we should add privacy protection to software license. Debian Free software guideline does not allow discriminate against using debian for evil.

This is plain false. Debian routinely disables trackers and homecalling functions in the packaged software and even in the documentation.

I think you misunderstand. Debian doesn't have restrictions on how end users use their software. They do however make an effort to ensure the software they distribute is high-quality and doesn't do bad things to the user.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by Dylan16807 »

NullPrefix wrote: post #392
tohmasu wrote: post #377

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Legal wishes to remind you that that statement always needs this accompanying statement. The word "better" does not imply a commitment towards customers and/or investors. *The word "do" should not be seen as referring to the taking of any specific course of action which may or may not yield tangible change. *The word "can" does not signify a concrete ability and is not forward-looking. *The word "We" should not be in…

Reminds of the famous Bill Clinton qoute >It Depends on what the meaning of the word is is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4XT-l-_3y0

Except he had a perfectly legitimate point there, as far as I understand, he just utterly botched the explanation.

There's a big difference between "is" and "was". Which is what he should have said. There were no semantic games in that particular statement, in stark contrast to some of the other things he said.

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Post by IgorPartola »

boogies wrote: post #366
DocTomoe wrote: post #262

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I disagree. Bad practices, like (linking to) websites that do not degrade gracefully, is worthwhile. Only by creating awareness, change can be invoked.

Exactly. IMO a much better analogy would be a vegetarian being presented with a purely carnivorous meal, meat with blood to drink, not being allowed a glass of water, and saying “all I see is meat”. I may be mildly biased as a flexitarian, but I don’t see that as being analogous to removing a steering wheel and complaining about road turns. Maybe analogous to boycotting fossil-fueled vehicles and complaining about a…

If we are playing with analogies, it’s like riding a horse and getting annoyed at the lack of horse lanes on the highway. Being a vegetarian is a perfectly valid alternative in the modern world. Probably easier being a vegetarian now than ever before. On the other hand a web without JS is for all intents and purposes obsolete technology. Not saying that it’s good or bad, just that such is the reality of things. It would be easier to convince people to ride horses instead of driving cars than to convince even a large majority of websites and we apps to stop using JS.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by temac »

ubermonkey wrote: post #327
fireball_blaze wrote: post #190

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He definitely should have blurred out the name of the salesperson in the original image.

Nope, not morally. Once you send me a message, it's mine. I can tell anybody I want you sent me a message. I can post it publicly if I want.

Morally, to each their own. But legally it certainly depends. In France you can't for private conversations, for example. I don't know if this one would qualify.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by temac »

agilob wrote: post #148
autoditype wrote: post #2

I thought this was going to be a Clippy joke, but the truth was much more disturbing. Why is Microsoft sharing this level of information (from a corporate account) with third parties?

> Why is Microsoft sharing this level of information (from a corporate account) with third parties? Because why not, it's allowed by T&C

Then why do the T&C contain such garbage, and why do people "accept" them (the answer to the last question being that most probably don't read them... well that strategy has its limits, for both parties apparently...)

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by noisy_boy »

I have always wanted to switch away from Ubuntu to Debian but have been wary of losing the convenience of "it just works" (perhaps irrationally so since Ubuntu is based on Debian). That's why I switched to Pop! OS because of their even better seamless integration for switching between Nvidia and intel graphics. Will I lose these conveniences on Debian? Has anyone done such a switch and can share their experience?

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by moron4hire »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #405
moron4hire wrote: post #363

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People are coming into this thread, talking about "this should not happen cuz free software." And Free Software protections are just completely orthogonal to privacy protections. There is a certain level of reasoning where one might say that, if the software were truly libre, you could "just" fork it and rip out the parts you don't like. But because you clearly can't "just" do that, then the software must not be free…

The idea is that, if free software principles were widely followed, this kind of spying could never be built in the first place. It'd be like a rice cooker that refuses to cook a full portion if you're putting on weight, or a washing machine that won't turn on during peak energy hours; a bizarre, unprecedented imposition on the principle that you should be able to do what you want with your stuff.

Will, it's a neat idea, but so is communism, on paper.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by AviationAtom »

I had something similar happen, but more in reverse. We agreed to a case study on their site in exchange for more favorable pricing. Next thing you know my buddy sends me a screenshot asking if this testimonial in a cold sales email is actually from me. Fortunately the company marketing department bend over backwards to try to clean up the mess, but we were less than thrilled that my name/our company name was being used in unsolicited email campaigns.
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