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Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by bayindirh »

throwawayboise wrote: post #174
ojnabieoot wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ubuntu is a free product. Canonical should not be able to find out if I (specifically me or my organization) allocates or runs 1 or 10000 instances of Ubuntu I agree with the message behind this and obviously Canonical and Microsoft are both being extremely gross. But Ubuntu as a binary image (or source code) is a very different product than a VM with Ubuntu pre-installed and pre-configured, which is what you paid…

Both Microsoft and Canonical are for-profit enterprises. To quote the old native american (?) fable: You knew what I was when you picked me up.

> Both Microsoft and Canonical are for-profit enterprises.

I don't think that most of the people have a problem with that. The problem is being sucked-in to something without ever agreeing into.

In the era of privacy sensitivity (which I think is healthy), being watched in a place and prodded from a different channel is disturbing.

I don't mind people trying to reach me with the hope of sales based on information I've provided to them, but this is too far.

Also it removes two veils from both companies at once:

    1. It seems Microsoft still has sneaky tactics, but they're more invisible.
    2. Canonical is somewhat more aggressive and greedy than it seems, and Ubuntu desktop is just a freemium product, or another capturing device for further vendor lock-in.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by ojnabieoot »

inetknght wrote: post #139
inetknght wrote: post #95

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> But Ubuntu as a binary image (or source code) is a very different product than a VM with Ubuntu pre-installed. How? Why? If it's different in any meaningful way from just clicking "next" on the installer then it's no longer Ubuntu, and certainly not Canonical Ubuntu, that's pre-installed. It's become, at best, Microsoft-Ubuntu-Because-Microsoft-Added-Telemetry-For-Azure. Or it's Canoncical-Ubuntu-Configured-By-Micr…

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Just FYI, this is bad manners. I deleted the comment because I didn't want to continue the conversation and I especially didn't want to engage with you - specifically, your comments here and elsewhere indicate that you are frequently toxic and hostile.

You deciding to resurrect the comment because you happened to see it before I deleted it is really not OK. It's the exact kind of toxic hostile, creepy interaction I was trying to avoid from you by deleting the comment!

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by srndsnd »

johnsoft wrote: post #102
whimsicalism wrote: post #84

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"On February 10th, a new Canonical Sales Representative contacted one of these developers via LinkedIn, with a poor choice of word. In light of this incident, Canonical will be reviewing its sales training and policies."" My reading of this statement is that they are scapegoating the guy.

They are trying to scapegoat the guy. Thankfully, people are not falling for it.

I pulled up his LinkedIn. He started at Canoncial three weeks ago, fresh out of undergrad.

I really hope he comes out of this unscathed.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by banana_maker »

mamcx wrote: post #189
IgorPartola wrote: post #38

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But systemd :). Honestly the main servers I am thinking of moving use zfs and zfs on FreeBSD is more of a first class citizen than on Linux.

How good is freebsd to host a typical PG + nginx + docker + Rust/Python backend? ie: Can I use last versions of everything and expect to work? I have always used ubuntu.

If you use docker heavily, *bsds are not an option. You do not need a *bsd just for ZFS, although it is supported quite nicely. I use zfs with proxmox for my server, which is debian based.

I would recommend using debian buster. People lose their minds over systemd and it's ridiculous. Debian has been the best experience of any distro that I've used, and I've tried most of them. For my router I use openbsd.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by IgorPartola »

SilasX wrote: post #159
IgorPartola wrote: post #14

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Wow. I just lost a whole lot of respect for Canonical. “If you read the document we expect nobody to read, you’d know that you sold your soul to us. We didn’t mean for you to find that out but one of our salespeople got overeager and tried to sell you your soul back. He will be reprimanded. Can we all forget about this real quick?”

>one of our salespeople got overeager and tried to sell you your soul back. He will be reprimanded. I don't think the (non-)apology even gave that much, just that the training/policies will be "reviewed", which is even weaker: >>In light of this incident, Canonical will be reviewing its sales training and policies.

I speak enough corporate to know that this guy gets to be chewed out. They singled him out in their response and said he was new. If they stood behind this policy they would have basically diffused the responsibility without mentioning him by specifically. I could be wrong of course, but he cost a bunch of people a bunch of time and effort and unpleasantness so he'll get yelled at.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by j16sdiz »

moron4hire wrote: post #191
inetknght wrote: post #47

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> * I would find this message to be a lot better - "We see that you've taken advantage of the Ubuntu image* No. That's not better at all. The mere fact that Canonical has specific information to reach me when I am not a direct customer of Canonical is a complete violation of my privacy. Ubuntu is a free product. Canonical should not be able to find out if I (specifically me or my organization) allocates or runs 1 or…

It's not "free as in lying around on the ground", it's free as in "freedom". You have to agree to Canonical's "Terms of Service" to use Ubuntu, so you are a licensed customer of Canonical's. In this case, the license is the GPL, none of which has anything to say about privacy. Maybe this is a failure of the Free Software Foundation's to not include privacy protection in the GPL. Though even if they were to create a G…

I am not sure we should add privacy protection to software license.

Debian Free software guideline does not allow discriminate against using debian for evil.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by hobofan »

detaro wrote: post #145
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #135

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I wonder whether the LinkedIn profile of the customer was directly handed out to the Canonical by MS, because invite by email on LinkedIn cannot send 'custom invite message', Canonical Agent seems to have manually sent an invite with custom message which leaves us with two possibilities - 1. Agent had enough details at hand to confirm that the LinkedIn profile was indeed that of the customer. 2. Access to LinkedIn pr…

He stated the LinkedIn profile was under a different email (makes sense, not corporate one). I'd guess 1: name+company matching was enough.

Isn't that even possibly illegal? I mean contacting someone on a personal channel for unsolicited B2B sales?

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by fortran77 »

raesene9 wrote: post #8

The register article on this https://www.theregister.com/2021/02/11/microsoft_azure_ubunt... has responses from Canonical and MS, which shed a bit more light on the situation. The Canonical quote is the most illuminating :- "As per the Azure T&Cs, Microsoft shares with Canonical, the publisher of Ubuntu, the contact details of developers launching Ubuntu instances on Azure. These contact details are held in Canonical…

Given that "everyone" in the community probably blocked this guy on LinkedIn, I'm not sure he's going to have much luck as a salesman going forward.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by Hasz »

tailspin2019 wrote: post #179
somehnguy wrote: post #129

I installed Ubuntu onto a physical machine recently because I needed to use a Linux package for something real quick. Upon trying to install the incredibly common package I was given some error about it not existing and some nonsense about using snaps. I don't care about learning how to use snaps, I just want to get something done. I quickly installed Debian instead and got back to doing the work I needed to do. It r…

I too have started to notice some increased “friction” when trying to setup Ubuntu these days. Like you, I don’t care about “snaps” (though in my ignorance I’m willing to accept I may be missing out on something useful...) Even when you go to their Download page for Server, the first option is not a download link but some blurb about “Multipass” which I’m pretty sure is not what the majority of people are looking for…

I've used snap for setting up a Nextcloud server. It was honestly pretty easy, and it auto updates. I'm normally not a fan of autoupdates, but for a publicly accessible service, it is appreciated.

However, I've never packaged anything for snap, so not sure how it is to use.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by IgorPartola »

mamcx wrote: post #189
IgorPartola wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But systemd :). Honestly the main servers I am thinking of moving use zfs and zfs on FreeBSD is more of a first class citizen than on Linux.

How good is freebsd to host a typical PG + nginx + docker + Rust/Python backend? ie: Can I use last versions of everything and expect to work? I have always used ubuntu.

BSD has jails which are roughly equivalent to Docker and are older and more stable tech. I am also a big proponent of not needing Docker nearly as much as most people seem to think it's needed. Sure, if your stack revolves around a custom-compiled nginx version downloaded off some guy's FTP site then Docker is nice, but also why does your stack revolve around a custom-compiled nginx version downloaded off some guy's FTP site?

The rest will run as well or better. FreeBSD is a more cohesive unit and by some claims is more performant than Linux.

tl;dr: no it won't be a seamless move because the only seamless move would be from Ubuntu to Ubuntu. But if you are willing to explore tech that isn't the current in-vogue stack you will find some really cool stuff in BSD-land. And their rc.conf is a pleasure to work with compared to to the million config files you need to use on Ubuntu/systemd.

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