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The register article on this https://www.theregister.com/2021/02/11/microsoft_azure_ubunt... has responses from Canonical and MS, which shed a bit more light on the situation. The Canonical quote is the most illuminating :- "As per the Azure T&Cs, Microsoft shares with Canonical, the publisher of Ubuntu, the contact details of developers launching Ubuntu instances on Azure. These contact details are held in Canonical…
It's indeed annoying. It's not as bad as this example because it's the same company I already deal with, which actually makes this legal in Europe. But as someone who is (admittedly) very anti-commercial it annoys me.
The strong ties between MS and Canonical are also one of the reasons I dropped Ubuntu from my private life.
Another thing that really annoys me about this is that MS removed the "block sender" option in their "New and redesigned!!" version of Outlook for Mac. In many ways the UI of the new version is much better but I strongly relied on that version. They kept the "mark as spam" but it doesn't guarantee that sender is forever blocked.
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> The negative impact of this goes on his shoulders Well, in this case, people are mad at Azure/MS and Canonical for betraying developer trust, not the individual salesperson. He's just a pawn in the game. It's not like this guy went rogue; this is his job. The system is setup in a creepy way to enable this type of upselling, which makes people uncomfortable. Whether or not Azure or Canonical change policies, we shal…
> Well, in this case, people are mad at Azure/MS and Canonical for betraying developer trust, not the individual salesperson. He's just a pawn in the game. It's not like this guy went rogue; this is his job. It's still his linkedin profile plastered all over twitter right now though more than Azure's EULA/T&C's.
This is pretty disgusting that someone didn't think to cover his name or image while complaining about what is essentially privacy and having a central beef with two companies. That said, while it's disgusting to me, it can easily be shrugged off as "thoughtless" by others because privacy is not a mainstream concept.
Wow- and I thought it was weird and inappropriate when I got a linkedin message from a MongoDB rep basically saying "Hey! I'm the account manager for your company so let me know if you need help with anything Mongo related!" (subtext being, how can I convince you to use (more) mongo services on your project)
I mean the job of an account manager is supporting the client. I don’t know how you can contort that into something to be mad about.
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I love how being contacted by a salesman that is acting accordingly to the terms of the contract he accepted is BAD! but publishing a private message without consent and without obfuscating name and surname is RIGHT! Some devs have complete disconnect from reality. (ofc he screams #censorship)
He definitely should have blurred out the name of the salesperson in the original image.
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We're all a bunch of tech folks here, so has anyone gotten an email from Canonical after spinning up an Ubuntu instance in AWS or GCP? I've at least done this on AWS and have never seen anything from Canonical.
Your data is still on their CRM. Perhaps a salesperson looked you up and decided to pass?
The register article on this https://www.theregister.com/2021/02/11/microsoft_azure_ubunt... has responses from Canonical and MS, which shed a bit more light on the situation. The Canonical quote is the most illuminating :- "As per the Azure T&Cs, Microsoft shares with Canonical, the publisher of Ubuntu, the contact details of developers launching Ubuntu instances on Azure. These contact details are held in Canonical…
Wow. I just lost a whole lot of respect for Canonical. “If you read the document we expect nobody to read, you’d know that you sold your soul to us. We didn’t mean for you to find that out but one of our salespeople got overeager and tried to sell you your soul back. He will be reprimanded. Can we all forget about this real quick?”
- Azure is the second largest cloud provider worldwide
- Ubuntu is probably the most common Linux distro installed in the cloud
- We never heard about another episode like this before
Now if Canonical was allowing / encouraging this kind of behavior from their sales rep, I think we should have seen it happen in the wild before (like, a thousand times?) already; since it only happened once, I'm inclined to believe them. Also see [1]
Now let me think: I'm not OK with Canonical accessing my contact information because I spin up a VM, but I'm also not OK with Microsoft sharing my contact information with Canonical. What's wrong with "let me call them if and when I need?" But I'm European so maybe a little too privacy focused.
[1] BTW: let's say 99% Ubuntu VMs are spun to host some boring Wordpress site, nuvelle cuisine blog or leather shoe shop. What's the chance of an Ubuntu sales representative to ever make a sale this way? I guess it must be pretty slim, so he'd have to contact hundreds of potential customers to turn a few sales - something that would quickly get reported if it was a corporate business habit. This reinforces my first impression.
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Isn't that even possibly illegal? I mean contacting someone on a personal channel for unsolicited B2B sales?
How is LinkedIn a "personal" channel, and why would it be illegal anyway? Direct marketing isn't illegal.