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Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by michaelt »

markild wrote: post #15
raesene9 wrote: post #8

The register article on this https://www.theregister.com/2021/02/11/microsoft_azure_ubunt... has responses from Canonical and MS, which shed a bit more light on the situation. The Canonical quote is the most illuminating :- "As per the Azure T&Cs, Microsoft shares with Canonical, the publisher of Ubuntu, the contact details of developers launching Ubuntu instances on Azure. These contact details are held in Canonical…

Great, so their conclusion is "we should make this less obvious and creepy", not "we should probably stop doing this".

Once you decide your cloud platform will include a marketplace for paid, licensed enterprise software, this doesn't surprise me all that much (although it kinda sucks)

I mean, is it even possible to buy an Oracle license without Oracle knowing who you are?

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by johnsoft »

whimsicalism wrote: post #84
fireball_blaze wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But no one is calling this guy a villain. For example, his name is not mentioned once in all these HN comments. It's not his fault. And indeed the Azure T&C's are definitely referenced a in the Twitter discussion with the OP. Such as: https://twitter.com/dezren39/status/1359726235929223168

"On February 10th, a new Canonical Sales Representative contacted one of these developers via LinkedIn, with a poor choice of word. In light of this incident, Canonical will be reviewing its sales training and policies."" My reading of this statement is that they are scapegoating the guy.

They are trying to scapegoat the guy. Thankfully, people are not falling for it.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by waylandsmithers »

Wow- and I thought it was weird and inappropriate when I got a linkedin message from a MongoDB rep basically saying "Hey! I'm the account manager for your company so let me know if you need help with anything Mongo related!" (subtext being, how can I convince you to use (more) mongo services on your project)

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by hobofan »

scoutt wrote: post #77
BlueTie wrote: post #40

As someone who works in tech sales - the real bullshit here is that this is some right-out-of-college 22 y/o entry level sales person (SDR) who was likely told to to take this list and message everyone on linkedin 1x1. The negative impact of this goes on his shoulders where the positive responses from this get passed off to someone else who is outside the blast radius. Stuff like this is the norm when sales is viewed…

It could be also that the sales person did this on his own initiative for a couple of extra points. It might not be standard practice, but we'll never know.

If a random sales person can easily go ahead and access PII on their own initiative, that's 1000x worse.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by ojnabieoot »

jnwatson wrote: post #69

I'm super confused as to why anybody thinks this is a problem. Generally, when one "buys" something from a "marketplace" the vendor gets to know who the buyer is. That the vendor asks the buyer if there's anything else they'd want to buy is par for the course.

If the email came over an Azure customer support system, or even to the corporate email used to sign up for the Azure account, then sure - I would personally find this very obnoxious and it being buried in the license agreement is suspicious, but not really that unethical. Crucially, this arrangement means Canonical could engage in marketing without MSFT sharing much personal data about Azure users.

What's extremely unethical is contacting the person over LinkedIn. It's extremely aggressive and a huge violation of boundaries, and proves that Microsoft is sharing personal information (names of users) with Canonical.

If I buy something online from a store, I would expect a few spam emails. But it would be completely unacceptable if a sales representative showed up at my house (despite me only sharing my address for billing/shipping purposes). This is basically what happened to the Azure customer.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by WrtCdEvrydy »

IgorPartola wrote: post #80
grasseh wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this is meant as a rhetoric, but it sounds like car sales. I bought a car last year. They sent my name and address to Sirius XM and now I'm getting spammed by marketing calls + marketing physical mail for Sirius XM when I don't need such service. I have a phone and all my music on it. It's already something that happens in the non-software world and it's definitely annoying there too!

That specific one really sucks. Every time I’ve bought a car that had a satellite radio I got spammed for like two years by Sirius XM. How are they still in business?

Sometimes it's just public records... I know someone fucked up if they use the wrong last name. Makes it easy to filter out spam.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by hrktb »

duxup wrote: post #17
raesene9 wrote: post #8

The register article on this https://www.theregister.com/2021/02/11/microsoft_azure_ubunt... has responses from Canonical and MS, which shed a bit more light on the situation. The Canonical quote is the most illuminating :- "As per the Azure T&Cs, Microsoft shares with Canonical, the publisher of Ubuntu, the contact details of developers launching Ubuntu instances on Azure. These contact details are held in Canonical…

I think the Marketplace quote is worth noting too: >A look at the terms for the Azure Marketplace throws up this sentence: "If you purchase or use a Marketplace Offering, we may share with the Publisher of such Offering your contact information and details about the transaction and your usage." So the publisher of something on their Marketplace gets some information. This doesn't seem 'that' weird (well the linked in…

> app stores

We should praise Apple for not giving our identifying info to app developers.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by WrtCdEvrydy »

hobofan wrote: post #104
scoutt wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could be also that the sales person did this on his own initiative for a couple of extra points. It might not be standard practice, but we'll never know.

If a random sales person can easily go ahead and access PII on their own initiative, that's 1000x worse.

$10 says there's an Excel sheet that's passed around with all of your info in it.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by [deleted] »

retzkek wrote: post #46
IgorPartola wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You buy a dishwasher from Best Buy. They send your name and address to Maytag. You buy soap from Walmart. They send your name and address to Johnson & Johnson. You buy a sandwich at your local deli. They send your name and address to Boar’s Head. Cool?

> You buy a dishwasher from Best Buy. They send your name and address to Maytag... Cool? Since most appliance manufacturers require you registering your product with them for warranty service, yes, please take care of that for me (many appliance stores do). Now _should_ Maytag require that registration? If it makes for a quicker and smoother warranty service process then I'm okay with it - better than needing to dig…

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Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by layoutIfNeeded »

jnwatson wrote: post #69

I'm super confused as to why anybody thinks this is a problem. Generally, when one "buys" something from a "marketplace" the vendor gets to know who the buyer is. That the vendor asks the buyer if there's anything else they'd want to buy is par for the course.

>Generally, when one "buys" something from a "marketplace" the vendor gets to know who the buyer is.

Ummm... no?

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