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Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by duxup »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #29
duxup wrote: post #17

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I think the Marketplace quote is worth noting too: >A look at the terms for the Azure Marketplace throws up this sentence: "If you purchase or use a Marketplace Offering, we may share with the Publisher of such Offering your contact information and details about the transaction and your usage." So the publisher of something on their Marketplace gets some information. This doesn't seem 'that' weird (well the linked in…

AWS has the same. If you treat it as an actual marketplace with individual images uploaded and licensed by their IP owners and not as “images of popular distros hosted by Microsoft” then it really does make sense. They’re not resellers, they’re just facilitating the marketplace.

I remember when Docker had some bad images show up.

There was much concern, but this isn't THAT different than any other marketplace. Gotta treat it that way.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by banana_maker »

IgorPartola wrote: post #220
mamcx wrote: post #189

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How good is freebsd to host a typical PG + nginx + docker + Rust/Python backend? ie: Can I use last versions of everything and expect to work? I have always used ubuntu.

BSD has jails which are roughly equivalent to Docker and are older and more stable tech. I am also a big proponent of not needing Docker nearly as much as most people seem to think it's needed. Sure, if your stack revolves around a custom-compiled nginx version downloaded off some guy's FTP site then Docker is nice, but also why does your stack revolve around a custom-compiled nginx version downloaded off some guy's…

For people who use docker at work, avoiding it is simply not possible. Our stack revolves around images (not necessarily docker), so *bsds are dead in the water for me.

Additionally, orchestrating is simplified with docker-compose vs managing many jails. I used to manage freebsd jails via cli in FreeNAS, but orchestration with docker-compose is much easier and trackable in git. Transferring between machines is as easy as setting up docker, git cloning, and setting secrets. [0] Podman solves some issue docker has, but using stuff like S6 [1] in containers helps a ton. Perhaps most importantly, docker images are reproducible (for the most part) while jails only have templates, so it's up to you to manage reproducibility.

Don't get me wrong- OpenBSD and FreeBSD are amazing distros. OpenBSD has the best user experience in my opinion, which is why I use it for my router. But they suck for modern gaming and stuff like docker.

"custom-compiled nginx version downloaded off some guy's FTP"

This is a strawman argument. But, sometimes one might want custom compilation without installing a host of build tools on the host system. Or one might want to have a reproducible build not tied to the host system. Compilation may be expensive (like with ffmpeg) or the host may be underpowered like a Raspberry Pi. Etc.

[0]: https://github.com/andrewzah/lilac-docker/tree/main/services

[1]: https://skarnet.org/software/s6/

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by lostdog »

theossuary wrote: post #160
ojnabieoot wrote: post #128

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I don't even use Azure or LinkedIn. But I'm extremely not interested in continuing a conversation with someone who is being deliberately ignorant and difficult. If your attitude is "consumers are not allowed to complain about any shitty marketing practice if I don't like the company involved" then congratulations, you are sooooo superior.

I'm on board with the above poster, and you dismissing what they're saying as "deliberately ignorant" because it doesn't jive with your world view is a sad tactic to use when discussing something. As somebody who's listed products on the AWS marketplace, when you "subscribe" to a product you give them your information as due course. This is obvious, spelled out, and known across all the marketplaces. So I'll assume t…

This is the first time I've heard about subscribing being a privacy violation, so no, this is not "obvious."

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by ThePhysicist »

raesene9 wrote: post #8

The register article on this https://www.theregister.com/2021/02/11/microsoft_azure_ubunt... has responses from Canonical and MS, which shed a bit more light on the situation. The Canonical quote is the most illuminating :- "As per the Azure T&Cs, Microsoft shares with Canonical, the publisher of Ubuntu, the contact details of developers launching Ubuntu instances on Azure. These contact details are held in Canonical…

Damn, I wasn't aware that they share this kind of information. Luckily I'm in Europe and I think here they'd need at least an additional opt-in to do stuff like that. That said I have to say "No thank you, please don't send all my data to the cloud" at least 5 times when installing Windows 10 these days, so I'm sure they definitely try. I haven't used Azure in a while though so I can't be sure.

That's also why I use Sublime Text instead of VS Code and run a private Gitlab instance instead of developing on Github (barring open-source work, which I do in the open anyway), as I'm pretty sure MSFT will find an excuse to mine my telemetry data for their own benefit eventually.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by inetknght »

ojnabieoot wrote: post #212
inetknght wrote: post #139

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Just FYI, this is bad manners. I deleted the comment because I didn't want to continue the conversation and I especially didn't want to engage with you - specifically, your comments here and elsewhere indicate that you are frequently toxic and hostile. You deciding to resurrect the comment because you happened to see it before I deleted it is really not OK. It's the exact kind of toxic hostile, creepy interaction I w…

> your comments here and elsewhere indicate that you are frequently toxic and hostile

I thought your comment was interesting and merited a reply for others to see and discuss. But I see you disagree so I've removed the content of my reply.

Feel free to flag any comments you find particularly toxic or hostile. You can do that by clicking on the timestamp of the comment and clicking the `flag` link.

Or even better, let me know (like you have done so here). I can't improve myself if I don't know there's a problem.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by joezydeco »

duxup wrote: post #42
joezydeco wrote: post #24

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This is the real answer. I almost did the same thing but decided to spin up my own image instead of buying a prepacked one from the Marketplace.

Exactly, I'm not so much cool with the policy here, but absolutely we should think about what we want and take appropriate actions like you did if we want to avoid it.

Well, my reason was also because I was having so much trouble trying to find a machine+zone+disk setup that was available and under my $50/month budget since I'm running on MSDN subscription credit. What a freaking pain in the ass.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by devmunchies »

throwaway077445 wrote: post #187
fireball_blaze wrote: post #166

Side note... the user on Twitter that originally reported this had his account locked by Twitter for posting the LinkedIn message from the Canonical sales guy. https://twitter.com/LucaBongiorni/status/1359885001844744195

I love how being contacted by a salesman that is acting accordingly to the terms of the contract he accepted is BAD! but publishing a private message without consent and without obfuscating name and surname is RIGHT! Some devs have complete disconnect from reality. (ofc he screams #censorship)

taking a cue from Cancel Culture. Wants to inflict as much public shame and probably wants this rep to lose his job.

In fact, by publishing his name you're giving the company an opportunity to throw him under the bus. It redirects culpability. Microsoft and Canonical should be the only focus.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by mr_cyborg »

falcolas wrote: post #134
dspillett wrote: post #83

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An instance of Ubuntu from a pre-prepared image, in exchange for $0.00 and your contact details. The pre-prepared image part does perpetually have value - it saves you installing from a standard ISO and Azure-ifying the result, or having your own image pre-prepared from earlier. It is a short while since I last spun up a fresh VM in Azure so I'm can't remember if this arrangement is made clear at all, though I do rem…

If this is so common (or valuable), why am I not charged for an image of Ubuntu optimized for Docker when I pull it from Docker hub? Or when I download the various usage-optimized ISOs from Canonical's own site? This is exceptional, and in exceptionally poor taste.

This is exactly how Docker works too - they recently rate limited anonymous accounts, and by signing up for the free plan you agree to very similar terms and conditions in return for a higher pull rate limit.

Source: https://www.docker.com/legal/docker-privacy-policy

See Section 3. Use of Information Collected

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