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Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by andagainagain »

raesene9 wrote: post #8

The register article on this https://www.theregister.com/2021/02/11/microsoft_azure_ubunt... has responses from Canonical and MS, which shed a bit more light on the situation. The Canonical quote is the most illuminating :- "As per the Azure T&Cs, Microsoft shares with Canonical, the publisher of Ubuntu, the contact details of developers launching Ubuntu instances on Azure. These contact details are held in Canonical…

Per the Azure's T&C? It's easy to blame Canonical here... but I that sounds like Azure's screw up, and Canonical accidentally revealing it.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by fireball_blaze »

BlueTie wrote: post #65
fireball_blaze wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The negative impact of this goes on his shoulders Well, in this case, people are mad at Azure/MS and Canonical for betraying developer trust, not the individual salesperson. He's just a pawn in the game. It's not like this guy went rogue; this is his job. The system is setup in a creepy way to enable this type of upselling, which makes people uncomfortable. Whether or not Azure or Canonical change policies, we shal…

> Well, in this case, people are mad at Azure/MS and Canonical for betraying developer trust, not the individual salesperson. He's just a pawn in the game. It's not like this guy went rogue; this is his job. It's still his linkedin profile plastered all over twitter right now though more than Azure's EULA/T&C's.

But no one is calling this guy a villain. For example, his name is not mentioned once in all these HN comments. It's not his fault.

And indeed the Azure T&C's are definitely referenced a in the Twitter discussion with the OP. Such as:

https://twitter.com/dezren39/status/1359726235929223168

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by Blikkentrekker »

maxk42 wrote: post #4

Microsoft I'd expect this from but what the heck was Canonical thinking??

Please do not tell me you are so naïve as to believe that Canonical would be above this?

It has not gone unnoticed to me that many seem to think that, say, Canonical and Red Hat are not corporations in the traditional sense, for which the customer is prey.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by db48x »

inetknght wrote: post #50
joezydeco wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not if you purchase something from Canonical on MS's Marketplace. That's what marketplaces do.

What was purchased from Canonical?

A free copy of Ubuntu, packaged specifically for use on Azure.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by chias »

IgorPartola wrote: post #25
duxup wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the Marketplace quote is worth noting too: >A look at the terms for the Azure Marketplace throws up this sentence: "If you purchase or use a Marketplace Offering, we may share with the Publisher of such Offering your contact information and details about the transaction and your usage." So the publisher of something on their Marketplace gets some information. This doesn't seem 'that' weird (well the linked in…

You buy a dishwasher from Best Buy. They send your name and address to Maytag. You buy soap from Walmart. They send your name and address to Johnson & Johnson. You buy a sandwich at your local deli. They send your name and address to Boar’s Head. Cool?

Pretty much. What do you think "loyalty" cards are actually for?

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by sly010 »

detaro wrote: post #59
badjeans wrote: post #56

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Why Canonical? Isn't this a Microsoft feature?

How is a Canonical rep contacting him purely a "Microsoft feature"?

Well, what should we be more angry about? That Canonicals sales rep is using data in their CMS, or that Microsoft is selling data to third parties. The root cause seems to be Microsoft, not Canonical and (at least in my eye) the conclusion is not "don't trust Ubuntu", but "don't trust Azure".

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by scoutt »

BlueTie wrote: post #40

As someone who works in tech sales - the real bullshit here is that this is some right-out-of-college 22 y/o entry level sales person (SDR) who was likely told to to take this list and message everyone on linkedin 1x1. The negative impact of this goes on his shoulders where the positive responses from this get passed off to someone else who is outside the blast radius. Stuff like this is the norm when sales is viewed…

It could be also that the sales person did this on his own initiative for a couple of extra points. It might not be standard practice, but we'll never know.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by ryandrake »

IgorPartola wrote: post #51
retzkek wrote: post #46

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> You buy a dishwasher from Best Buy. They send your name and address to Maytag... Cool? Since most appliance manufacturers require you registering your product with them for warranty service, yes, please take care of that for me (many appliance stores do). Now _should_ Maytag require that registration? If it makes for a quicker and smoother warranty service process then I'm okay with it - better than needing to dig…

There is a difference between you checking off a box that says “send my info to Maytag” and BestBut just doing it and then when you find out about it Maytag saying “you weren’t supposed to find out”.

The difference, as usual, is: consent and control. 1. the user did not provide affirmative informed consent (it was buried in a ToS doc that nobody reads) and 2. the user has no meaningful control of the sharing.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by ojnabieoot »

inetknght wrote: post #47
rkangel wrote: post #36

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This was my first response as well (it's not the data sharing that's the problem, it's that you noticed). Thinking about it though, a lot of it is a question of surprise and unknowns. I would find this message to be a lot better - "We see that you've taken advantage of the Ubuntu image that Canonical provide in the Azure Marketplace. I am available to you for (etc.)".

> * I would find this message to be a lot better - "We see that you've taken advantage of the Ubuntu image* No. That's not better at all. The mere fact that Canonical has specific information to reach me when I am not a direct customer of Canonical is a complete violation of my privacy. Ubuntu is a free product. Canonical should not be able to find out if I (specifically me or my organization) allocates or runs 1 or…

> Ubuntu is a free product. Canonical should not be able to find out if I (specifically me or my organization) allocates or runs 1 or 10000 instances of Ubuntu

I agree with the message behind this and obviously Canonical and Microsoft are both being extremely gross.

But Ubuntu as a binary image (or source code) is a very different product than a VM with Ubuntu pre-installed and pre-configured, which is what you paid for (and is why you got ensnared by their horrible anti-user license).

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by IgorPartola »

grasseh wrote: post #55
IgorPartola wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You buy a dishwasher from Best Buy. They send your name and address to Maytag. You buy soap from Walmart. They send your name and address to Johnson & Johnson. You buy a sandwich at your local deli. They send your name and address to Boar’s Head. Cool?

I know this is meant as a rhetoric, but it sounds like car sales. I bought a car last year. They sent my name and address to Sirius XM and now I'm getting spammed by marketing calls + marketing physical mail for Sirius XM when I don't need such service. I have a phone and all my music on it. It's already something that happens in the non-software world and it's definitely annoying there too!

That specific one really sucks. Every time I’ve bought a car that had a satellite radio I got spammed for like two years by Sirius XM. How are they still in business?
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