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Re: Twitter permanently bans Project Veritas account

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Post by 2pEXgD0fZ5cF »

slackfan wrote: post #6

The deafening silence in these comments is telling of how boned free speech proper actually is. Hope you all are enjoying the "free speech for me, but not for thee" attitude of this neo-feudalism that we live in.

I don't feel confident enough to actually represent any group, but what you are saying is wrong, it's just that no one wants to listen when "we" say that the grip of megacorps on the internet is too tight and that we need more support for free software and open protocols instead of walled gardens.

We are here, it's just that this is only a part within the things we have been talking about for years, even if it might come as a surprise to the kind of people that probably cheered when things like net neutrality were crippled in the US.

I certainly won't defend far right and conspiracy portals that make a career out of harassing people and that don't know the difference between free speech and "freedom of consequence no matter what I say"/"everyone should be forced to listen to me". However at the same time Twitter does not deserve any praise for such a decision.

The part we all should agree on (and hopefully do) is that Twitter/Facebook/Google apply their rules pretty much arbitrarily at this point, they might as well remove them because in prominent cases they clearly don't matter.

Majority of discourse on the internet should not be subject to the pure arbitrariness of only a few corporations.

Re: Twitter permanently bans Project Veritas account

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Post by acdha »

slackfan wrote: post #9
acdha wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean it’s now a right-wing idea that private companies aren’t allowed to decide who they want to do business with? This isn’t really a right vs. left issue: it’s not like they lost their account for tweeting about lowering the capital gains tax rate or something. This is an organization which weaponized bad faith attacks. The only reason it seems politicized now is that there isn’t broad support for that kind of…

They're doing exactly the same type of yellow journalism that the NYT and CNN is doing, just with a bend you happen to not agree with. Nothing far-right about that.

That’s a very big claim conspicuously made with no supporting evidence. In particular, misleading editing and entrapment is all Project Veritas does.

You can find individual journalists who betrayed their audience’s trust, although rarely so badly, but you know about them because they get fired, not promoted. This is true across the political spectrum – CNN, Fox News, NPR, NYT, WSJ, etc. all have their biases but they’re all qualitatively better than someone whose business is based on deliberately editing video to mislead in service of a political narrative. The fact that some right wing people see ethics rules as an attack on their politics is disturbing but it’s only saying something about their values.

Re: Twitter permanently bans Project Veritas account

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Post by silicon2401 »

slackfan wrote: post #6

The deafening silence in these comments is telling of how boned free speech proper actually is. Hope you all are enjoying the "free speech for me, but not for thee" attitude of this neo-feudalism that we live in.

Civilizations have fallen before, and I worry that this trend of attacking free speech will be looked back on as an early stage in the fall of our current world. It's becoming a cliche now that cyberpunk dystopias more and more resemble our current world

Re: Twitter permanently bans Project Veritas account

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Post by tekproxy »

TheIronYuppie wrote: post #29

I am in awe at people who say “market forces should rule everything “ and then in the same breath say “government has a responsibility to enforce that a private organization must allow everyone to use their platform in an arbitrary way”. No one was arrested. No one was silenced. Project Veritas could send an email out with the information to all their subscribers completely legally (assuming they weren’t breaking fed…

I completely agree. When Twitter acts like this, it leaves money on the table for competition. You don't need to give the government more power. The rich will just hook into that power.

Imo, the real story is Parler getting banned just as it was poised to become competition.

Re: Twitter permanently bans Project Veritas account

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Post by MrRiddle »

kasperni wrote: post #27

I'm all for free speech. But do we really need to confront public figures in front of their own home and post it on the Internet? I think everyone would be concerned, especially if you have a family. I do think people have right to some privacy especially concerning their own home.

How is this different from paparazzi and celebrities? Why should Facebook executives who work hard to remove privacy from their users, enjoy the same from comfort of their home?

Re: Twitter permanently bans Project Veritas account

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Post by anonRepub12345 »

acdha wrote: post #32
slackfan wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're doing exactly the same type of yellow journalism that the NYT and CNN is doing, just with a bend you happen to not agree with. Nothing far-right about that.

That’s a very big claim conspicuously made with no supporting evidence. In particular, misleading editing and entrapment is all Project Veritas does. You can find individual journalists who betrayed their audience’s trust, although rarely so badly, but you know about them because they get fired, not promoted. This is true across the political spectrum – CNN, Fox News, NPR, NYT, WSJ, etc. all have their biases but the…

Citation Needed. Project Veritas has successfully challenged 331 "news reports" of misleading editing and gotten those report retracted[1] . Further, they have sued and been sued in court and claim a record of 7 wins, 0 losses[2]. Finally, PV has a page dedicated to the admitting where they were wrong[3]. Please support your claim of "misleading editing and entrapment" with evidence of retractions or court losses by Project Veritas that are not listed on their "Mistakes" page (i.e., events that they are attempting to hide or mislead the public about).

[1] https://www.projectveritas.com/wall-of-shame-retracto/ [2] https://www.projectveritas.com/news/legal-victories-pv/ [3] https://www.projectveritas.com/mistakes-that-project-veritas...

Re: Twitter permanently bans Project Veritas account

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Post by autoditype »

chrononaut wrote: post #24
mc32 wrote: post #15

How long before hard hitting independent journalists like Greenwald and others who publish regardless of who it exposes and inconveniences start seeing their voices silenced and only approved voices get to tiptoe and publish banalities along with special daggers for non conformers? Twitter needs to be renamed Pravda unironically.

> Twitter needs to be renamed Pravda unironically. Equating Twitter to Pravda is the same extreme hyperbole as people who equate GOP to Nazis. Last I checked Twitter is not a state-run operation that will arrest or kill people who report information that it doesn't agree with.

> Last I checked Twitter is not a state-run operation that will arrest or kill people who report information that it doesn't agree with.

This isn't Pravda, that was KGB. Pravda is a better analogy as it was a newspaper. Your comment just flamed with additional hyperbole. There's no need for that here

Re: Twitter permanently bans Project Veritas account

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Post by dbuder »

kasperni wrote: post #27

I'm all for free speech. But do we really need to confront public figures in front of their own home and post it on the Internet? I think everyone would be concerned, especially if you have a family. I do think people have right to some privacy especially concerning their own home.

Yes, these people make decisions that effect a huge number of lives and they should be held to account, if they will not respond to electronic communication or talk on the phone then it is traditional journalism to track them down and put those questions to them.

Re: Twitter permanently bans Project Veritas account

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Post by acdha »

anonRepub12345 wrote: post #36
acdha wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a very big claim conspicuously made with no supporting evidence. In particular, misleading editing and entrapment is all Project Veritas does. You can find individual journalists who betrayed their audience’s trust, although rarely so badly, but you know about them because they get fired, not promoted. This is true across the political spectrum – CNN, Fox News, NPR, NYT, WSJ, etc. all have their biases but the…

Citation Needed. Project Veritas has successfully challenged 331 "news reports" of misleading editing and gotten those report retracted[1] . Further, they have sued and been sued in court and claim a record of 7 wins, 0 losses[2]. Finally, PV has a page dedicated to the admitting where they were wrong[3]. Please support your claim of "misleading editing and entrapment" with evidence of retractions or court losses by…

This is why you generally want to find third-party sources rather than relying on someone to tell you whether to trust them. Start here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas

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