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Re: Twitter permanently bans Project Veritas account

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I can't wait until social norms change again down the road, and the right uses this newfound power of consorship and control to dominate. I mean, it'll suck, no doubt. But it'll also be just desserts for the destroyers of freedom.

In the same vain as the right I hope you die you useless piece of shit.

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The deafening silence in these comments is telling of how boned free speech proper actually is. Hope you all are enjoying the "free speech for me, but not for thee" attitude of this neo-feudalism that we live in.

To be fair, I'm seeing so much bullshit on social media that I've probably reached the threshold of apathy to just don't care and let it all burn.

Re: Twitter permanently bans Project Veritas account

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Greenwald's already been booted out of his own media org that he founded. Private corporations & all that.

He resigned after they refused to run one of his articles as written. I think this is an important distinction because other journalists have been fired for their speech, but he wasn't one of them.

A media corporation that doesn’t want the bad PR around firing their most recognized employee (and co-founder in this case) need only make the life so difficult for that person that they quit in protest. The ol’ “cold shoulder” routine.

Some people would say “Yep! No foul play! He left totally of his own volition!” while others, not playing this corrupt PR game, will see it as the same thing as firing.

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How long before hard hitting independent journalists like Greenwald and others who publish regardless of who it exposes and inconveniences start seeing their voices silenced and only approved voices get to tiptoe and publish banalities along with special daggers for non conformers? Twitter needs to be renamed Pravda unironically.

> Twitter needs to be renamed Pravda unironically.

Equating Twitter to Pravda is the same extreme hyperbole as people who equate GOP to Nazis.

Last I checked Twitter is not a state-run operation that will arrest or kill people who report information that it doesn't agree with.

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post #6

The deafening silence in these comments is telling of how boned free speech proper actually is. Hope you all are enjoying the "free speech for me, but not for thee" attitude of this neo-feudalism that we live in.

"The mission we serve as Twitter, Inc. is to give everyone the power to create and share ideas and information instantly without barriers. Our business and revenue will always follow that mission in ways that improve – and do not detract from – a free and global conversation." https://investor.twitterinc.com/contact/faq/default.aspx

This is just corporate doublespeak which clarifies nothing.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don’t let the democratically elected government ban speech but unaccountable private corporations are free to censor. These problems aren’t easy, and while I’ve lessened my free speech absolutism a tiny bit, I’m still quite concerned. We have to find a better way.

Considering the media propping up stories about how free speech is unnecessary and barbaric in our new and modern society, and making censorship a cultural norm - giving an inch is more than giving a mile.

In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can win. In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit.

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I'm all for free speech. But do we really need to confront public figures in front of their own home and post it on the Internet? I think everyone would be concerned, especially if you have a family. I do think people have right to some privacy especially concerning their own home.

Re: Twitter permanently bans Project Veritas account

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean it’s now a right-wing idea that private companies aren’t allowed to decide who they want to do business with? This isn’t really a right vs. left issue: it’s not like they lost their account for tweeting about lowering the capital gains tax rate or something. This is an organization which weaponized bad faith attacks. The only reason it seems politicized now is that there isn’t broad support for that kind of…

Unorthodox journalist tactics or not, they catch the elite saying horrible things on camera when they think they are speaking amongst friends. Yes they do go against the left a lot in who they go after. But you can’t argue against the video footage. I consider myself on the left on many things but what they capture people saying is absolute appalling. Why focus on their tactics instead of what they uncover?

They like to present themselves as undercover journalists but their history shows that they don’t meet that standard: unlike journalists they actively manipulate the videos to mislead their audience – if you remember their rise to fame attacking ACORN, their videos were edited to be successful political propaganda but the subsequent legal investigations didn’t find any wrongdoing by ACORN and Project Veritas had to pay damages for defamation. This also was hardly “elites” - they heavily edited video to misrepresent what low-level employees did, and attempted to portray that false narrative as the organizational policy.

They’ve also been known to produce complete fabrications like their unsuccessful attack on the Washington Post. That was straight up entrapment, not journalism.

Re: Twitter permanently bans Project Veritas account

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I am in awe at people who say “market forces should rule everything “ and then in the same breath say “government has a responsibility to enforce that a private organization must allow everyone to use their platform in an arbitrary way”.

No one was arrested. No one was silenced. Project Veritas could send an email out with the information to all their subscribers completely legally (assuming they weren’t breaking federal law by doxxing people).

If I was mod of a knitting forum and had a public policy of never allowing people to talk about Tom Brady, and someone did so, I could ban the person. That’s not censorship, that’s me kicking someone out of my (and only my) community. They can still talk all they want.

Re: Twitter permanently bans Project Veritas account

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The deafening silence in these comments is telling of how boned free speech proper actually is. Hope you all are enjoying the "free speech for me, but not for thee" attitude of this neo-feudalism that we live in.

We don’t let the democratically elected government ban speech but unaccountable private corporations are free to censor. These problems aren’t easy, and while I’ve lessened my free speech absolutism a tiny bit, I’m still quite concerned. We have to find a better way.

Yes, we don’t let our government, with the tools of state violence and the exclusive right to imprison us, ban speech.

However, groups of private citizens, whose powers over the marketplace are/can be heavily limited through existing laws such as antitrust law, enforced by our democratically elected government have no requirement to carry speech they disagree with.

It’s surprising to me how quickly the Big Business/Small Government Republican Party switched as soon as they realized that big businesses don’t always have their interests in mind. I suggest looking over to the far left, as they have been discussing ways to curb power of large businesses for decades and also have a healthy respect of the dangers of giving the government too much power as the frequent target of said powers.

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