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Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by gabereiser »

ascorbic wrote: post #48
gabereiser wrote: post #10

> ...but the release just felt like a blip in our planned schedule before jumping into more sprints and fires and thinking about the next iteration. Welcome to agile ? I know the feeling, honestly, but in software engineering there's always more bugs to fix, more features to develop, more needs of the users that require your attention. Cutting a release should feel like letting go, and indeed at places it does, but u…

She personally got a lot of abuse on Twitter about the FF Android rewrite. Nothing to do with layoffs. She doesn't need to prove this to you, but it was all visible at the time so I'm sure you can find it if you don't believe her.

Never said I didn’t believe her, I do. I just didn’t know the extent of it as it goes well beyond harassment.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by zem »

chordalkeyboard wrote: post #56
anuragsoni wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there are "more sides" to this story. Harassing someone because one doesn't like an update to a piece of software is not okay.

There are always more sides to a story, and hearing another side doesn’t mean you think whatever they have done is “okay.” > Harassing someone because one doesn't like an update to a piece of software Harassment is probably never okay butneither is directing obscene gestures at people.

people who want to be assholes will always find a reason to do it. it doesn't make it another "side of the story".

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by blub »

nicoburns wrote: post #82
hiq wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In France we work 35h You, as a software engineer, work 35h / week? I thought it was mostly less qualified jobs. I don't know the law exactly, but none of my friends working in Paris work 35h / week.

I work 37.5h/week as a software engineer in London. Actually my current role is a lead role and I do end up working a little more than that, but it absolutely isn't required by my company.

About 2.5h more? :)

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by charliebrownau »

Firefox is now run by { THEM }

They now operate as Global Left Authorian poltical activism

They no longer operate on Merit Qualifcations Reward Hard Work Goals Pride

They are Anti White Anti Freedom Anti Consumer Anti White straight male

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Replacements / Solutions

* PC Firefox >>> LibreWolf - https://librewolf-community.gitlab.io/

* PC Chrome >> Iridium or Ungoogled Chromium - https://iridiumbrowser.de/

* PC Tor >> TOR + LibreFox - https://github.com/intika/Librefox

* Android Browser >> Bromite - https://github.com/bromite/bromite

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by passivate »

walrus01 wrote: post #9

> That and.. I am also extremely burnt out. > Working too much during the week for the last 2 years was normal for me We need to stop normalizing working beyond a 40 hour work week. I can accomplish far more and with greater clarity of purpose, mental acuity and motivation in an actual 40 hours, than I could if I attempt to push myself to 10-12 hours a day.

>We need to stop normalizing working beyond a 40 hour work week. I can accomplish far more and with greater clarity of purpose, mental acuity and motivation in an actual 40 hours, than I could if I attempt to push myself to 10-12 hours a day.

But normalizing any number is problematic. It depends on the job, and the specific individual. A warehouse packer or a burger flipper are unlikely to accomplish more by working less. So lets say each person can be productive for X hours per week. This number might be the same throughout the year, or it might go up/down, etc. It might be co-related to other things (pandemic, life events, etc). And then you have some people that can be productive for 80 hours / week. (I want to explicitly make a distinction between warming a chair for 80 hours versus actually producing something valuable.)

The tricky question is, what is the threshold below which you are considered a poor performer? And the corollary - If you are one of those outliers who can be productive 80hrs/week - Should you be compensated more than your peers? I know that if I was one of those outliers (I'm not), I would expect to get rewarded for being more productive.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by apostacy »

systemvoltage wrote: post #6

I still use Firefox. I’m sticking around. It’s becoming more annoying to use, but I’d rather support Mozilla than anyone else. The window into the internet shouldn’t be controlled by big companies. It’s a principle thing for me. To the author, thanks for your efforts.

> The window into the internet shouldn’t be controlled by big companies. It’s a principle thing for me.

That's exactly why I stopped with Mozilla. They are just a proxy for corporate controlled interests. And it is heartbreaking.

Every single battle, they have folded. Nearly every decision they have made has aligned with corporate interests. And then they issue a paternalistic statement saying that selling out is in our best interest.

- They embraced EME web DRM. They didn't have to. They could have taken the position that if someone wants DRM they should do it via Flash or Silverlight, or some other external means. They could have just done nothing. They didn't have to legitimize it as a concept. It would have been so powerful if they had just done nothing.

- They killed off RSS support for no good reason. The cost to maintain it would have been less than their office carpet cleaning budget. They don't see RSS as an integral part of the web. They see it as a toy, not worth including by default. And thanks to their attitude, RSS is actually becoming that way.

- They killed off XUL based extensions, and embraced a much more limited extension system (but at least it is more compatible and less differentiated with Google!). The functionality that was lost has not been restored.

The job of Mozilla was to be an EXAMPLE, more than to be popular. And they have accomplished neither.

I was with them since the start. Firefox was amazing when it was NOT compatible with Internet Explorer 6, and not trying to be! I'm so glad that they had enough faith in their own vision of the web to risk turning off less technical users. And we were all better for it.

Mozilla has failed us, and the best outcome is for the Mozilla foundation to go bankrupt, so that maybe we can pick up the pieces.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by _qulr »

passivate wrote: post #125
walrus01 wrote: post #9

> That and.. I am also extremely burnt out. > Working too much during the week for the last 2 years was normal for me We need to stop normalizing working beyond a 40 hour work week. I can accomplish far more and with greater clarity of purpose, mental acuity and motivation in an actual 40 hours, than I could if I attempt to push myself to 10-12 hours a day.

>We need to stop normalizing working beyond a 40 hour work week. I can accomplish far more and with greater clarity of purpose, mental acuity and motivation in an actual 40 hours, than I could if I attempt to push myself to 10-12 hours a day. But normalizing any number is problematic. It depends on the job, and the specific individual. A warehouse packer or a burger flipper are unlikely to accomplish more by working…

> So lets say each person can be productive for X hours per week.

I don't think productivity is the right way to frame things. This makes it sound like a human is nothing more than a tool. The reason people should work fewer hours is so that they can enjoy life outside of work, remain healthy, spend time with family and friends, etc. Not to maximize productivity for the stockholders.

Even if some person is capable of being productive working 80 hours a week, it's not clear that this is good for the person, either in the short run or the long run. Workaholism can be a bad habit.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by JeremyNT »

eloisant wrote: post #73
fireattack wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me, using Firefox on desktop is easy. It is at least on par with competitors, if not better. Firefox on Android on the other hand (the one the author worked on), IMHO, is simply an inferior product. This is kinda understandable due to their small team size (and it looks like they're overworking too), but what I didn't get is why they kept revamping it. I don't have a clear timeline, but in my recent memory they at…

Inferior to what? I have yet to find a browser that blocks ads on Android as efficiently as Firefox+uBlock.

It's inferior to... Firefox!

The old version of Firefox for Android (Fennec) had several important features that never made it into the rewrite. I understand they wanted to address architectural issues and improve performance, but the net result was that one day you opened up an app you'd been using happily for years only to be presented with a buggy, more limited alternative that was barely recognizable.

Things are a little better now, but you still can't print, install arbitrary extensions, save offline in reader mode, and more.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by [deleted] »

dralley wrote: post #65
throwaway123x2 wrote: post #3

FireFox is my main driver and I still use it on Android... but I have to say the android refresh wasn't great. It's full on random usability errors, it crashes, and they started curating extensions for mobile. That said, I do appreciate all the work FireFox devs put in to give us a Chrome alternative. Misfires happen. I hope FF for Android keeps getting better with time.

I've never seen a crash, and personally I can attest that the new version is much snappier and more responsive. I don't like every aspect of the UI but it was a worthwhile upgrade IMO. re: addons, a lot of people were understandably upset about this, myself included for a while. With that said, in the months after release every extension which had been disabled by the upgrade started coming back online as the extensi…

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