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Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by gabereiser »

legerdemain wrote: post #42
gabereiser wrote: post #10

> ...but the release just felt like a blip in our planned schedule before jumping into more sprints and fires and thinking about the next iteration. Welcome to agile ? I know the feeling, honestly, but in software engineering there's always more bugs to fix, more features to develop, more needs of the users that require your attention. Cutting a release should feel like letting go, and indeed at places it does, but u…

To put it bluntly: we don't need more context. The author has graciously shared a story about her private decision-making and intimate details about her emotional well-being. Even if some readers may want to probe further into her private life, she ultimately owes us nothing. We are reading her blog post out of passing curiosity, and not assessing the merit or evaluating the truth of any claims she is making. Sorry t…

You're right, we don't need more context. I would have liked more context. This isn't the first time I've seen a first-timer write about a toxic work environment to the point where they quit. I'm not demanding anything, just wishing I had more context to be more empathetic to her situation.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by Darmody »

systemvoltage wrote: post #6

I still use Firefox. I’m sticking around. It’s becoming more annoying to use, but I’d rather support Mozilla than anyone else. The window into the internet shouldn’t be controlled by big companies. It’s a principle thing for me. To the author, thanks for your efforts.

Why it's becoming more annoying to use?

I've been using as my main browser for years and it only gets better.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by mrkwse »

pictur wrote: post #31

This woman seems not sincere at all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Emily has a name, and I don't see how you've come to that conclusion.

Her account of living resonates with a lot of my reflections when I left my previous job. Perhaps you haven't yet been lucky enough to have a job that has been similarly fulfilling.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

rvz wrote: post #23
thgaway17 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s all sorts of age, gender, and racial diversity in that photo. Just no black faces.

So what and who cares? Just because you see one team that doesn't have a 'black face' in a photo means they should be criticised for not having such a person in the team? Are you going to look for every black face in Mozilla's all hands meeting? I just want Firefox for Android to work better and whoever is qualified to make this happen regardless of the colour of their face, I don't care; neither do the users care ei…

That's the usual defensive line. Its not about color as long as the work gets done. Never mind imbalance or systematic exclusion, that can't be real.

Its ever so easy to dismiss bias when we have an emotional connection. It's worth being careful about, noticing and even sometimes bringing up. And not helpful to get trolled and mocked for bringing it up.

Is this picture really disproportion in makeup? Lets see, 40 people, black faces make up 14% of America. What's the probability that's by chance? Its about 1 in 1000.

But lets be real. Black engineers are rare, much less than 14%. From ^this site its about 6%. That comes out to maybe a 1 in 12 chance of happening by accident.

So who knows. Maybe Mozilla is that 1 in 12.

^ https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat11.htm

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by chordalkeyboard »

anuragsoni wrote: post #46
chordalkeyboard wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the link, always good to get more sides of a story.

I don't think there are "more sides" to this story. Harassing someone because one doesn't like an update to a piece of software is not okay.

There are always more sides to a story, and hearing another side doesn’t mean you think whatever they have done is “okay.”

> Harassing someone because one doesn't like an update to a piece of software

Harassment is probably never okay butneither is directing obscene gestures at people.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by gabereiser »

_qulr wrote: post #40
gabereiser wrote: post #10

> ...but the release just felt like a blip in our planned schedule before jumping into more sprints and fires and thinking about the next iteration. Welcome to agile ? I know the feeling, honestly, but in software engineering there's always more bugs to fix, more features to develop, more needs of the users that require your attention. Cutting a release should feel like letting go, and indeed at places it does, but u…

> Welcome to agile? Agile is not essential to software development. IMO Agile should be thrown in the trash heap of technology history ASAP. Does Firefox even need a "release schedule"? Why? There's rarely a good reason for fixed software schedules. It's funny, Google had a pretty tight software schedule... until it came time to publish their App Store privacy details, and then they decided they didn't need a release…

100%. There are a multitude of ways to deliver software, agile being one of them. Mozilla is/was pretty strong on agile methodologies. I worked with a guy who came from Mozilla and was an Agile Coach essentially.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by CivBase »

I'm actually very happy with the Firefox Android rewrite and I strongly prefer it over Chrome. It sounds like some people had problems, but I'd expect teething issues with any significant software changes. With such a big undertaking and how many people responded to the rollout (not to mention everything else that has happened in the last year), I'd be surprised if most devs on the project didn't find themselves burnt out at this point.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by hiq »

aloisdg wrote: post #22
walrus01 wrote: post #9

> That and.. I am also extremely burnt out. > Working too much during the week for the last 2 years was normal for me We need to stop normalizing working beyond a 40 hour work week. I can accomplish far more and with greater clarity of purpose, mental acuity and motivation in an actual 40 hours, than I could if I attempt to push myself to 10-12 hours a day.

In France we work 35h and I thin we should move to 28h. More and more company do the move. https://www.welcometothejungle.com/fr/articles/travailler-4-...

> In France we work 35h

You, as a software engineer, work 35h / week? I thought it was mostly less qualified jobs. I don't know the law exactly, but none of my friends working in Paris work 35h / week.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by fireattack »

systemvoltage wrote: post #6

I still use Firefox. I’m sticking around. It’s becoming more annoying to use, but I’d rather support Mozilla than anyone else. The window into the internet shouldn’t be controlled by big companies. It’s a principle thing for me. To the author, thanks for your efforts.

To me, using Firefox on desktop is easy. It is at least on par with competitors, if not better.

Firefox on Android on the other hand (the one the author worked on), IMHO, is simply an inferior product.

This is kinda understandable due to their small team size (and it looks like they're overworking too), but what I didn't get is why they kept revamping it. I don't have a clear timeline, but in my recent memory they at least did it twice.

Also, plenty of "great features" for some reason stay in beta/alpha/nightly forever. This is particularly obvious if you visit /r/Firefox on Reddit frequently; you see "oh for that, just use beta/nightly version!" as answers for help/feature request threads too often. It's like they never finish these features to push into release channel.

Anyway, it's getting harder and harder to stay using Firefox on Android. Especially after they essentially killed the extension ecosystem in Fenix.

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