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Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by smsm42 »

hutzlibu wrote: post #84
coldpie wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work on an open source project which is popular, but definitely a lot less used than Firefox. I often feel pretty lucky that I grew up with the early internet, back when you hid your real identity and trusted no one. While I don't do that anymore, it does still give me with a strong sense of maintaining a "firewall" with the public. I don't put myself out there as a public face more than necessary. I don't have wor…

"The Internet is an incredibly harsh and toxic place, always has been" Refreshing to read this, compared to the "it was all so much better before"

Before twitter, it was. I mean, there still were flame wars, toxicity and negativity, but they weren't amplified and influential as they are now. I don't remember a case where a toxic mob on Usenet ruined somebody's life. Maybe there were such cases, but I can't think of one. But I can readily name cases almost daily where the same happens with toxic mobs on Twitter. Toxicity existed before, but now there are amplification and focus mechanisms that turn it especially vile and hurtful, and twitter is one of them. And no amount of censorship will ever change any of it.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by chordalkeyboard »

ekager wrote: post #104
chordalkeyboard wrote: post #56

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There are always more sides to a story, and hearing another side doesn’t mean you think whatever they have done is “okay.” > Harassing someone because one doesn't like an update to a piece of software Harassment is probably never okay butneither is directing obscene gestures at people.

Hi! Emily here! Added some more context in a footnote in the blog post about this "obscene gesture" and the harassment after the fact. TLDR: The amount of disgusting harassment I received was unbelievable and could never be justified as a reasonable reaction to an "obscene gesture"

Hi Emily! Thanks for your reply. I’m sorry to hear of your being the victim of harassment and I appreciate your post here clarifying the circumstances.

Thank you for your contributions to open source software. Many web users, myself included, rely on free and open source projects for our work and recreation and these products would not exist without the generous contributions of kind and skilled persons such as yourself.

I hope you recover from your burnout and find a fulfilling role somewhere that respects your mental health and values your contributions.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by leereeves »

ekager wrote: post #108
leereeves wrote: post #41

> I first joined Mozilla as an intern during my change-career journey mainly because I had taken one Android class, knew some Java, and applied on a whim at the right time to hit the recruiter’s inbox. Is it that easy to become an intern at Mozilla?

Sorry, how many years of experience with professional software development do you expect your interns to have?

If I offered internships I think I'd be lucky to get a few applicants, but I thought internships at top tech companies like Mozilla were very competitive.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by ekager »

gabereiser wrote: post #37
jvzr wrote: post #24

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I have no particular data for her harassment, but I've read here and on other media outlets some pretty angry comments about that Android rewrite. I can totally imagine some people venting on Twitter, and even targeting parts of the team. Though I can't say I've seen that myself... just hypothesizing.

That's what I wanted to know. Was there targeted harassment like this from users? Was it just twitter flame? Did she get angry emails? I understand it has no bearing on the OP but I feel like it would add gravity to her experience if we had some context to empathize with.

Hi! Emily here. Added some more context in a footnote to the original blog post about the worst types of harassment I experienced.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by ekager »

leereeves wrote: post #113
ekager wrote: post #108

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Sorry, how many years of experience with professional software development do you expect your interns to have?

If I offered internships I think I'd be lucky to get a few applicants, but I thought internships at top tech companies like Mozilla were very competitive.

And why are you assuming that I wasn't qualified or a competitive candidate? I said I applied on a whim and wasn't drawn to Mozilla for any particular reason, not that I didn't deserve the job?

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by smsm42 »

hutzlibu wrote: post #106
gggtt wrote: post #103

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But before anonymity was allowed, so all this toxicity & harassment didn't hurt too much because you could just create a new identity, start again, and it would go away. Today most people are on FB & social medias under their real name & with their real face and everything is stored & will hunt you for the rest of your life. With fingerprinting, facial recognition, surveillance, etc. there is now no way to speech fre…

"there is now no way to speech freely without having your identity tied to it." Erm. Really? Aren't you a bit exagerating? You can still post anonymous in lots of places. Like right here, for example.

You can say some things anonymously, but I'm not sure how far does it extend. Anonymity is tested not by posting under an alias, but when somebody tries to break it. If you get into the middle of real controversy - how far would HN willing to go before they wipe your account and possibly give the details they have (IPs, email, etc.) to the law enforcement, from where they'd immediately be leaked to the press? Was this ever tested in practice - i.e. somebody anonymous on HN was attacked and kept their anonymity?

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by leereeves »

ekager wrote: post #115
leereeves wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I offered internships I think I'd be lucky to get a few applicants, but I thought internships at top tech companies like Mozilla were very competitive.

And why are you assuming that I wasn't qualified or a competitive candidate? I said I applied on a whim and wasn't drawn to Mozilla for any particular reason, not that I didn't deserve the job?

I'm only reading what you wrote: "I had taken one Android class, knew some Java". I guess I would have expected them to want some related open source work, or a lot of related coursework, things like that.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by gabereiser »

ekager wrote: post #114
gabereiser wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what I wanted to know. Was there targeted harassment like this from users? Was it just twitter flame? Did she get angry emails? I understand it has no bearing on the OP but I feel like it would add gravity to her experience if we had some context to empathize with.

Hi! Emily here. Added some more context in a footnote to the original blog post about the worst types of harassment I experienced.

Thank you. I’m not doubting it happened. I thank you for updating the post with the extent of the harassment. It’s something I think people don’t realize how bad it is. Or has become. I’m sorry you experienced that.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by musicale »

> I did take one week of PTO right after our release!

;-(

It's disappointing but unsurprising that Mozilla apparently seems to facilitate a burnout work culture like every other tech company:

New/college hire -> work like mad with no life -> burn out -> quit -> repeat process for the next sucker in line.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by rovr138 »

nicoburns wrote: post #82
hiq wrote: post #59

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> In France we work 35h You, as a software engineer, work 35h / week? I thought it was mostly less qualified jobs. I don't know the law exactly, but none of my friends working in Paris work 35h / week.

I work 37.5h/week as a software engineer in London. Actually my current role is a lead role and I do end up working a little more than that, but it absolutely isn't required by my company.

>but it absolutely isn't required by my company

Is it needed to hit deadlines or to successfully do your duties as lead?

Because it might not be required, but it ends up being expected.

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