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Re: Leaving Mozilla

#91

Post by acdha »

fireattack wrote: post #74
SemNome wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can see them through archive.org: https://web.archive.org/web/20200731211652/https://twitter.c... https://web.archive.org/web/20200731235001/https://twitter.c... https://web.archive.org/web/20200801025736/https://twitter.c...

So it's more like she directed her frustrations at the users ("haters") instead of the other way around?

No, that's her reaction _after_ a bunch of non-contributors whined that the project team was making different decisions than they wanted. This is a common hazard of visibly working in open source and it's caused a lot of people to decide it's not worth being involved in a project.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

#92

Post by rolandog »

fireattack wrote: post #60
systemvoltage wrote: post #6

I still use Firefox. I’m sticking around. It’s becoming more annoying to use, but I’d rather support Mozilla than anyone else. The window into the internet shouldn’t be controlled by big companies. It’s a principle thing for me. To the author, thanks for your efforts.

To me, using Firefox on desktop is easy. It is at least on par with competitors, if not better. Firefox on Android on the other hand (the one the author worked on), IMHO, is simply an inferior product. This is kinda understandable due to their small team size (and it looks like they're overworking too), but what I didn't get is why they kept revamping it. I don't have a clear timeline, but in my recent memory they at…

One of the features I think is unmatched in other browsers is Firefox's ability to search open tabs on your other devices, and also to almost instantly send a tab to another device. I mainly use it from mobile to desktop (when I stumble on a site that I feel may be risky to let it run all scripts on a mobile phone).

Re: Leaving Mozilla

#93

Post by hutzlibu »

walrus01 wrote: post #9

> That and.. I am also extremely burnt out. > Working too much during the week for the last 2 years was normal for me We need to stop normalizing working beyond a 40 hour work week. I can accomplish far more and with greater clarity of purpose, mental acuity and motivation in an actual 40 hours, than I could if I attempt to push myself to 10-12 hours a day.

In her case it was probably not the working hours, but the working hours rewarded with hate. That kills your morale and energy more than anything else. When you put in effort for others - achieve your goals, but still get kicked.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

#94

Post by traveler01 »

systemvoltage wrote: post #6

I still use Firefox. I’m sticking around. It’s becoming more annoying to use, but I’d rather support Mozilla than anyone else. The window into the internet shouldn’t be controlled by big companies. It’s a principle thing for me. To the author, thanks for your efforts.

I was all in for Firefox but I had to stop sucking it. Browser it's just inferior compared to Chrome or other Chromium browsers. As a web developer I can't have my browser crashing, slowing my work down and having an inferior developer mode which only feature I find useful are the rulers.

This, specially after I found out that the directors at the company kept getting their wages increased was the nail in the coffin.

I just can't stand knowing these people are getting rewarded for such a shitty job, even worse now knowing that they have small teams (obviously not able to deliver the products we expect them to) and worse of all forcing these people to overwork.

Google is not a saint, but neither is Mozilla. I'll just stick to the browser that better fullfil my needs ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Leaving Mozilla

#95

Post by nicoburns »

fireattack wrote: post #88
nicoburns wrote: post #81

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I was with you up until a couple of months ago. But IMO the latest versions have caught up with Chrome. They've sorted the performance (scroll performance and UI) issues with the new "fenix" version. The tab switching works great now. And the latest (stable) version even supports pull-to-refresh. Add extension support to that (notably ublock) and I've made it my default browser (and that's on merit, not for ideologic…

> And the latest (stable) version Is Fenix even officially released? It's still called "Firefox Nightly" on Play Store AFAIK. This is kinda one of my point: when would they actually use it as Firefox proper if it's already mature?

Yes! Plain "Firefox" on the Play Store is Fenix these days.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

#96

Post by _y5hn »

hutzlibu wrote: post #84
coldpie wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work on an open source project which is popular, but definitely a lot less used than Firefox. I often feel pretty lucky that I grew up with the early internet, back when you hid your real identity and trusted no one. While I don't do that anymore, it does still give me with a strong sense of maintaining a "firewall" with the public. I don't put myself out there as a public face more than necessary. I don't have wor…

"The Internet is an incredibly harsh and toxic place, always has been" Refreshing to read this, compared to the "it was all so much better before"

Flaming was invented when the internet was born. Netiquette came later but didn't really catch on as well..

Re: Leaving Mozilla

#97

Post by fireattack »

acdha wrote: post #91
fireattack wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it's more like she directed her frustrations at the users ("haters") instead of the other way around?

No, that's her reaction _after_ a bunch of non-contributors whined that the project team was making different decisions than they wanted. This is a common hazard of visibly working in open source and it's caused a lot of people to decide it's not worth being involved in a project.

Ok, that makes sense.

It's an eye-opener for me that people would do that. I can't even name a single developer for any software I use, let alone find and harass them on social media.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

#98

Post by hutzlibu »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #55
rvz wrote: post #23

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So what and who cares? Just because you see one team that doesn't have a 'black face' in a photo means they should be criticised for not having such a person in the team? Are you going to look for every black face in Mozilla's all hands meeting? I just want Firefox for Android to work better and whoever is qualified to make this happen regardless of the colour of their face, I don't care; neither do the users care ei…

That's the usual defensive line. Its not about color as long as the work gets done. Never mind imbalance or systematic exclusion, that can't be real. Its ever so easy to dismiss bias when we have an emotional connection. It's worth being careful about, noticing and even sometimes bringing up. And not helpful to get trolled and mocked for bringing it up. Is this picture really disproportion in makeup? Lets see, 40 peo…

I am not a US citicien, but as far as I know, black people are less likely to go to university so are less likely to end up in tech.

Now is this the fault of mozilla? Hardly.

But are they supposed to hire people because of their race and not of their skills? That would be the definition of racism, no?

Re: Leaving Mozilla

#99

Post by Vinnl »

vlunkr wrote: post #64

She says in here that she "cared deeply about the product." Honest question, it is better to not care about the product? As I've grown as a developer, I've become less personally attached to the products I work on. I still care that it's a quality product, and that it's stable, tested, etc. But I don't attach it to my personality or my self-worth. Ultimately what happens to it is out of your control, (assuming it's n…

It's been one of the most important lessons I've had to learn in my career and am still learning: not to care so much about everything.

That said, working on something that I care about is also one of the aspects of my job I love the most. I think the trick is to carefully pick a few things that you care about and focus on that, but then also to have a far more hands-off approach for pretty much everything else, and let others shape those things to their visions.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by sstephant »

aloisdg wrote: post #22
walrus01 wrote: post #9

> That and.. I am also extremely burnt out. > Working too much during the week for the last 2 years was normal for me We need to stop normalizing working beyond a 40 hour work week. I can accomplish far more and with greater clarity of purpose, mental acuity and motivation in an actual 40 hours, than I could if I attempt to push myself to 10-12 hours a day.

In France we work 35h and I thin we should move to 28h. More and more company do the move. https://www.welcometothejungle.com/fr/articles/travailler-4-...

In France white collars usually don't work 35h/week. We usually sign 'day contracts' with almost no time limits. On the plus side it is true we have additional days off, usually around 12/per year and if we don't have enough work we can even work less than 7h/day. I don't know any company that leaves you out of work though. In 2014/2015 I worked on an insane project where the estimated delivery date was far far too optimistic. I worked around 9~10h/day all week long sometimes on the weekend too. If I didn't have a 2 months break because I broke my ankle in the mountains I would have gone nuts. After this experience I told myself 'never again'.

Just to complete the story at some point we were referring to this project as the 'cursed project'. The project manager (who made the original estimates) went 2 months to the hospital with a serious depression at the beginning (he had priors). The surrogate acting project manager was at some point on the verge of psychological breakdown and became a heavy smoker. I (lead dev) broke my foot on my first day of summer vacation. One business analyst was hit by a car (survived but multiple fractures). Another dev had an unexplained swollen feet problem (2 weeks off, probably stress). Another dev, external contractor, was terminated because 'he lost the sparkles in his eyes'. And due to the insade delivery rate, sometimes 2 delivery in production per day, one of the ops got burnt out and eventually resigned.

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