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How could you tell they were immigrants?
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#72For some context: Firefox for Android, which shipped a few months back, was a rewrite from scratch, with new browsing engine (development of "old Firefox" was halted and there were no releases for >1 year).
Due to this, it initially shipped with no support for extensions except uBlock Origin, (which was a deal breaker for many long-time users; it now supports a handful of manually vetted extensions, but still not all AFAICT), plus of course when you rewrite from scratch, there will be some rough edges. Shipping without extensions was a sure way to enrage users, but having an app in development for 2+ years to ship "perfect v1" had its drawbacks too, so it was a tough call for Mozilla.
Despite that, and some edge-case UX polish need, I find new Firefox Android pretty ok and as a 2021 "degooglify myself" resolution, I've been using it for a few weeks now. So far so good, even if some aspects of it work differently that Chrome (for example, it's more aggressive in garbage collecting inactive tabs). When the small issues are resolved, it will be a very good browser.
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#73I still use Firefox. I’m sticking around. It’s becoming more annoying to use, but I’d rather support Mozilla than anyone else. The window into the internet shouldn’t be controlled by big companies. It’s a principle thing for me. To the author, thanks for your efforts.
To me, using Firefox on desktop is easy. It is at least on par with competitors, if not better. Firefox on Android on the other hand (the one the author worked on), IMHO, is simply an inferior product. This is kinda understandable due to their small team size (and it looks like they're overworking too), but what I didn't get is why they kept revamping it. I don't have a clear timeline, but in my recent memory they at…
Inferior to what? I have yet to find a browser that blocks ads on Android as efficiently as Firefox+uBlock.
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was curious about this, and went searching, and it's fairly difficult to figure out exactly what is being referenced. There is a reddit thread that links to deleted tweets that appears like it might be related: https://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/comments/i8nuyb
You can see them through archive.org: https://web.archive.org/web/20200731211652/https://twitter.c... https://web.archive.org/web/20200731235001/https://twitter.c... https://web.archive.org/web/20200801025736/https://twitter.c...
So it's more like she directed her frustrations at the users ("haters") instead of the other way around?
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#75> the constant stream of negative comments from unhappy and rude users during the work week and outside of it was extremely draining
This is because mozilla is an open source aberration. The actual developers are super humans, but they are being led by people with the wrong incentives. This is what cause "rude emails from users". the opposite would have gotten you a nice balance of polite and rude patches/reports from contributors.
Open source organizations should focus on fostering the community and educating users. Not trying to champion new versions and rewrites themselves.
Mozilla at first focused on selling the default search spot (and spent that money on exec salary and moonshot projects not related to the browser at all). Now they are focusing on getting mobile users in order to sell their attached products.
When you pay for developers, and make your projects even more closed, you call that on yourself. You are now a company competing on the freemium market.
Case in point, i was an early contributor to Gaia (the mozilla phone OS). I could build and change the browser with ease. I would send in detailed bug reports. Now on android, I can barely get a decent build with the google libraries baked in, let alone make meaningful changes. I just hold off updates and hope somebody else do the work for me (for a while f-droid folks did :)
And I will not even get into my worse petty peeve which is the recent android addons non-techcnical-totally-political-whitelist. sigh. or the changes on every revision to the bookmarks. keywords, folders, etc. can't keep my data consistent for a while now :(
But to close in a good note: mozilla is not representative of opensource! it is much better elsewhere. thank you!
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
So what and who cares? Just because you see one team that doesn't have a 'black face' in a photo means they should be criticised for not having such a person in the team? Are you going to look for every black face in Mozilla's all hands meeting? I just want Firefox for Android to work better and whoever is qualified to make this happen regardless of the colour of their face, I don't care; neither do the users care ei…
That's the usual defensive line. Its not about color as long as the work gets done. Never mind imbalance or systematic exclusion, that can't be real. Its ever so easy to dismiss bias when we have an emotional connection. It's worth being careful about, noticing and even sometimes bringing up. And not helpful to get trolled and mocked for bringing it up. Is this picture really disproportion in makeup? Lets see, 40 peo…
> That's the usual defensive line. Its not about color as long as the work gets done. Never mind imbalance or systematic exclusion, that can't be real.
You're either trolling or completely delusional.
> And not helpful to get trolled and mocked for bringing it up.
It's not helpful to bring agenda when it is not there.
> Is this picture really disproportion in makeup? Lets see, 40 people, black faces make up 14% of America. What's the probability that's by chance? Its about 1 in 1000.
Because population of America consists only of Software Engineers and there's for sure no immigrants in this picture.
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In France we work 35h and I thin we should move to 28h. More and more company do the move. https://www.welcometothejungle.com/fr/articles/travailler-4-...
> In France we work 35h You, as a software engineer, work 35h / week? I thought it was mostly less qualified jobs. I don't know the law exactly, but none of my friends working in Paris work 35h / week.
Yes, most software engineers have a 39h/week contract but get extra PTO instead (called RTT, about 10 days a year in addition to the legal 25).
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
To me, using Firefox on desktop is easy. It is at least on par with competitors, if not better. Firefox on Android on the other hand (the one the author worked on), IMHO, is simply an inferior product. This is kinda understandable due to their small team size (and it looks like they're overworking too), but what I didn't get is why they kept revamping it. I don't have a clear timeline, but in my recent memory they at…
Inferior to what? I have yet to find a browser that blocks ads on Android as efficiently as Firefox+uBlock.
Chrome. It's just my personal opinion as a user, based on my own use case. Can't really detail, but mainly various UX issues. It feels unpolished.
As for ad block, I use DNS based blocker apps like adgarud on my phone.
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Same. But I’ll continue to use Firefox until someone turns out the lights...
Same. Firefox + Lockwise is a great combination, will also use Mozilla VPN when that comes out.
Wasn't Mozilla VPN just a white label of a shady VPN company? Or did they switch partners?
Vaguely recall some unsettledness when it was first announced.