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The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired

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Spent a long time reading about how vast bureaucratic inefficiencies are created by people worrying that "the wrong person" will benefit from government programs or that someone "undeserving" might get theirs before I do. This falls squarely in that bucket. Tragic.

The incredible thing to me is even given that prevailing attitude, corporations still manage to soak the government for billions and billions.

There are two sets of rules in this world.

Re: The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired

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This is just Kafkaesque. People in a position of authority with blind adherence to rules intended for optimal scenarios. They're literally saying he should have just thrown them away instead of distributing them as best he was able. This whole thing is a logistical clusterfuck and they're trying to throw this dude under the bus. It's obscene.

>They're literally saying he should have just thrown them away instead of distributing them as best he was able I don't understand why people make arguments like this. Throwing them away and giving them to friends and family aren't the only two options. There's a whole swath of acceptable and achievable options. Giving doses to friends and family is a pretty bright ethical line. I don't think arresting him is the rig…

His job was to use up all the vaccine. He tried to give it to the professionals around him first (eg law enforcement and hospital workers). Then he searched out people who met the criteria for vaccination. Yes, he ended up giving the last dose to his wife, but the last dose that was about to expire, he wasn’t going to find another person in the time left, and his wife me the medical criteria.

The guy is a hero who is going above and beyond what his job requires, and not a criminal.

Re: The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a specific alternative option you have in mind? The article mentions that he tried vaccinating everyone in the clinic and called the county to ask; I'm legitimately unsure what else he could have done to find people.

>Is there a specific alternative option you have in mind Go to the nearest grocery store/ Firehouse / police station and give them to front line workers.

Not sure about in TX, but in my state the list of people he actually vaccinated comes before front line workers. I'm impressed that he was able to find so many head-of-the-line people so quickly.

(Further, he made house calls to sick elderly people, which is something sorely missing from our existing vaccination strategy.)

Re: The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired

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As stupid as this sounds, this is extremely standard policy in many, many jobs. Just because something is expiring doesn't mean you can use it against the standing rules and procedures.

It could introduce corruption otherwise too, selling doses that are about to expire to the highest bidder. Which then could introduce incentive to let more doses "expire". I agree that in this case it seems stupid, but the rule is there for a reason.

Scale matters.

The manager's pet getting first pick of the dumpster at a small machine shop is very different than the same thing at a ship yard.

Re: The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It makes sense when you think about it. Without the rules, there's excuse to -not- find the people the vaccine is meant for and use it yourself. Anyone who thinks that this would not happen doesn't know human nature very well. They are welcome to post situations where such excuses haven't been taken advantage of. I'll take lack of replies as acceptance of my point.

Reply.

Ha.

Re: The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired

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Aside from the main thread of the article, what blows my mind is how many people he asked who declined the vaccine. Were they just being good samaritans, hoping the vaccine would go to someone who needs it more? Maybe I am a lesser person, but I'd trample people to get a jab right now.

Re: The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired

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Spent a long time reading about how vast bureaucratic inefficiencies are created by people worrying that "the wrong person" will benefit from government programs or that someone "undeserving" might get theirs before I do. This falls squarely in that bucket. Tragic.

Our education in the US is in the same position. We spend far more time, energy and money on problematic students who don't give a rip than we do on dedicated/motivated students. The goal posts aren't there. If a certain number of students fail it creates red flags for the district and if those students are a certain minority that can viewed as evidence of institutional racism and open up legal liabilities as such th…

Chance are, the dedicated/motivated students likely have a far more supportive environment than the kids on the bottom. Increasing resources and support to the top kids will surely increase inequality, while also improving the top's capabilities.

Meanwhile, the kids at the bottom get left behind.

Re: The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired

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Spent a long time reading about how vast bureaucratic inefficiencies are created by people worrying that "the wrong person" will benefit from government programs or that someone "undeserving" might get theirs before I do. This falls squarely in that bucket. Tragic.

This is why I generally support universal basic income if it could replace the US safety net. Currently we spend more than it would take to eliminate poverty if we just gave it away. But the beauracratic machine just destroys so much wealth.
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