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The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired

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Re: The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired

#51

Spent a long time reading about how vast bureaucratic inefficiencies are created by people worrying that "the wrong person" will benefit from government programs or that someone "undeserving" might get theirs before I do. This falls squarely in that bucket. Tragic.

I think in Israel if there is any vaccines left over from that day because people didn’t attend their appointment anyone can show up and get it. Our obsession with fairness is ridiculous.

Re: The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired

#52

Spent a long time reading about how vast bureaucratic inefficiencies are created by people worrying that "the wrong person" will benefit from government programs or that someone "undeserving" might get theirs before I do. This falls squarely in that bucket. Tragic.

Our education in the US is in the same position. We spend far more time, energy and money on problematic students who don't give a rip than we do on dedicated/motivated students.

The goal posts aren't there. If a certain number of students fail it creates red flags for the district and if those students are a certain minority that can viewed as evidence of institutional racism and open up legal liabilities as such the districts are highly motivated to pass everyone along but to not to make the good and willing better.

Re: The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired

#53
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They're literally saying he should have just thrown them away instead of distributing them as best he was able I don't understand why people make arguments like this. Throwing them away and giving them to friends and family aren't the only two options. There's a whole swath of acceptable and achievable options. Giving doses to friends and family is a pretty bright ethical line. I don't think arresting him is the rig…

The article addresses your concerns. He was willing to give the vaccine to anyone he could get his hands on. After that, he chose people who were teetering on the edge healthwise, while only having a few hours to do so. If he were turning away people from the vaccine site and squirreling away vaccines for friends and family that would be a bright line, but that's not what happened here at all.

“ did you read the article“

Please don’t make statements like this, it is against the rules.

“Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that.”

Re: The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired

#54
post #12

The same thing has been happening across the country. This is basically states failing to create a proper portal that can provide a vaccine-provider a list of the next n prioritized people in the city, and then blaming the doctors when they don't have arms to inject. This is a failure of management from the very top, and people lower down getting the blame. It is simply insane to me that most (all?) states haven't us…

This.

You would think that state's had no advanced knowledge of a vaccine. In Maryland (my state) the state health director published a "white paper" on what steps they were planning on taking to vaccinate. Then a few weeks later he retired.

Re: The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired

#55
post #5

This is just Kafkaesque. People in a position of authority with blind adherence to rules intended for optimal scenarios. They're literally saying he should have just thrown them away instead of distributing them as best he was able. This whole thing is a logistical clusterfuck and they're trying to throw this dude under the bus. It's obscene.

>People in a position of authority with blind adherence to rules intended for optimal scenarios.

Most of them aren't blind. They know full well they're missing the forest for the trees but they follow through anyway in order to cover their butts and they justify it with "policy is policy" and "I've only got three years until my pension kicks up to the X% bracket".

Re: The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired

#56

As stupid as this sounds, this is extremely standard policy in many, many jobs. Just because something is expiring doesn't mean you can use it against the standing rules and procedures.

Well, there were no rules and procedures, per the article.

> a prosecutor told him by email that there were no written protocols from late December; nor had a written wait list yet been found.

And giving short life vaccines to people with co-morbidities during a pandemic is a world of difference than grocery store food. I'm not sure why we're even comparing the two.

Re: The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired

#57
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They're literally saying he should have just thrown them away instead of distributing them as best he was able I don't understand why people make arguments like this. Throwing them away and giving them to friends and family aren't the only two options. There's a whole swath of acceptable and achievable options. Giving doses to friends and family is a pretty bright ethical line. I don't think arresting him is the rig…

Is there a specific alternative option you have in mind? The article mentions that he tried vaccinating everyone in the clinic and called the county to ask; I'm legitimately unsure what else he could have done to find people.

>Is there a specific alternative option you have in mind

Go to the nearest grocery store/ Firehouse / police station and give them to front line workers.

Re: The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired

#58

> Late last month, a judge dismissed the charge as groundless, after which the local district attorney vowed to present the matter to a grand jury Considering that grand juries would indict a ham sandwhich, this seems like the prosecutor is reaching just to prolong the process and pain this doctor is going through. Even assuming the best case argument for the prosecutor that he did “steal it”, he vaccinated 10 people…

That the extra doses were administered in a different county (Fort Bend) probably exacerbated the response, plus the very plausible bias of the local officials in Humble. The Harris DA Kim Ogg is a Democrat (tellingly not mentioned in this article) who is painted by opponents as a “Soros DA” who is soft on crime.

Re: The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article addresses your concerns. He was willing to give the vaccine to anyone he could get his hands on. After that, he chose people who were teetering on the edge healthwise, while only having a few hours to do so. If he were turning away people from the vaccine site and squirreling away vaccines for friends and family that would be a bright line, but that's not what happened here at all.

“ did you read the article“ Please don’t make statements like this, it is against the rules. “Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that.”

I changed it.

Re: The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired

#60

Spent a long time reading about how vast bureaucratic inefficiencies are created by people worrying that "the wrong person" will benefit from government programs or that someone "undeserving" might get theirs before I do. This falls squarely in that bucket. Tragic.

Do you have any recommended reading?
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