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Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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Post by laxmin »

clairegraham wrote: post #222
ivolimmen wrote: post #2

At some point, and I feel it is close, we need to subscribe to stuff and simply pay for the stuff we want and need to use. The internet always have been a place where most stuff is free and people got used to that. At some point after that the dark parts and ad parts of the web will reside; but I do not think it will completely disappear.

Commento.io is a very simple alternative that costs $10/month. We use that on downforeveryoneorjustme.com.

It is also open source and can be easily hosted. https://gitlab.com/commento

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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Post by tal8d »

dredmorbius wrote: post #258
tal8d wrote: post #257

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So I'll just assume that you intended to answer the question, and that your response contains your strongest argument. From what I can tell, the only complaint that makes sense is with regard to community building platforms splintering potential collaborators/readers. I can somewhat agree with that, but it has absolutely nothing to do with an attention economy or corporate market capture. I can't think of a time that…

it has absolutely nothing to do with an attention economy or corporate market capture. I disagree strongly. My complaints are not merely theoretical. Addressed in the Reddit post below and the three internally-linked articles. That subreddit itself is a failed experiment at community-building and fostering. One of several. (There's also been the rare modest success.) https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/8rq0…

I think we've got a pretty fundamental difference on what we're looking for in a community. But we seem to agree on one thing - the political dimension has worsened things (well beyond the point that I'd have thought would occur before a general outcry for a return to sanity curtailed the destruction). And to further extend that thought, I would certainly agree with anyone who suggested that commercial or otherwise centralized platforms are not only uniquely vulnerable to political shenanigans - but magnify the 2nd order damage. Things are going to be getting a lot worse on that front before they get any better. As someone who was involved with bitcoin when the community was 90% crypto-anarchists, I'm keenly aware of what a community looks like when it is tearing itself apart - and what it looks like when it is under assault. It'll be interesting to see how much further things go, because few people outside of the early crypto community have experienced de-banking, and socially conscious market indexes are being rolled out...

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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Post by stjohnswarts »

throwaways885 wrote: post #151
airstrike wrote: post #140

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Can't really suggest YT as an alternative to a monopoly

Is either company a monopoly in "music streaming" if they're both viable alternatives?

People way overuse "monopoly" these days.

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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Post by stjohnswarts »

freddie_mercury wrote: post #234
sofixa wrote: post #107

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Plenty of alternatives exist - YouTube Premium ( which also gets you YouTube with no adds, on top of YouTube Music), Amazon Music, Apple Music, and iirc pandora, SoundCloud? I haven't compared prices.

In the country I live in none of those are available other than Apple Music. So the choices are Spotify and Apple Music.

Apple is much less likely to sell off your data

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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Post by stjohnswarts »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #123
stonesweep wrote: post #109

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Shoutcast/Icecast are alive and well, there are thousands of independent radio stations online; one of the most well known (SomaFM) is alive and well, ad free listener supported. Big Sonic Heaven is still online, both of these are like 20 years and running. Lots of podcasts are free from their source, Spotify doesn't even offer one of favorite ones (a weekly DJ mix, 500+ episodes strong) all you need is an app like A…

> all you need is an app like AntennaPod To listen to a podcast? A podcast is an audio file you download like any other file and play like any other audio file. Why do you need a dedicated app?

There lots of apps that are great at helping you find and organize them, pretty much automatically, compared to manually tracking all that.

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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Post by dredmorbius »

tal8d wrote: post #262
dredmorbius wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it has absolutely nothing to do with an attention economy or corporate market capture. I disagree strongly. My complaints are not merely theoretical. Addressed in the Reddit post below and the three internally-linked articles. That subreddit itself is a failed experiment at community-building and fostering. One of several. (There's also been the rare modest success.) https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/8rq0…

I think we've got a pretty fundamental difference on what we're looking for in a community. But we seem to agree on one thing - the political dimension has worsened things (well beyond the point that I'd have thought would occur before a general outcry for a return to sanity curtailed the destruction). And to further extend that thought, I would certainly agree with anyone who suggested that commercial or otherwise c…

Yes, we can agree on that political element being destructive (though might start diverging on the mechanisms ... I'll spare the long ramble here).

I do fundamentally believe that markets and information goods are a poor match. Attempts to "market it harder" to fix news, academic publishing, ratings, community, and most of all, conversation, seem to be a category error. https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/2vm2da/why_inf...

Advertising seems remarkably pernicious, particular in its adtech instantiation.

Bitcoin ... well, that's another story ;-)

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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Post by learyjk »

elliekelly wrote: post #184
learyjk wrote: post #177

Disqus was the default commenting system for a Ghost blog theme I purchased for my humble website. It actually broke my site's functionality by directing users who had made comments to really shady advertisements. You can see a screen recording of the behavior here: https://keeganleary.com/disqus-is-evil-trash/ I switched out for ComentBox and let the theme designer know about the issue. I will also forward him this…

This is not even remotely related to your comment but wow your bolognese looks incredible.

lmao I will continue to share anything I can build a meat mountain with! Analytics for my site on 5FEB showed 200 people visited my Disqus post and then 50 people clicked on the "Food" tag. Apparently people who consume tech news also like food a lot. Thanks HN.

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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Post by freddie_mercury »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #264
freddie_mercury wrote: post #234

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In the country I live in none of those are available other than Apple Music. So the choices are Spotify and Apple Music.

Apple is much less likely to sell off your data

That is true but their app on Android was terrible (I used it for two years before Spotify was available here). Probably the worst Android app I used on a regular basis.

Likely it is better on Apple devices but I don't use those.

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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Post by alexgmcm »

geek_at wrote: post #48
alexgmcm wrote: post #44

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Yeah, I think the problem with self-hosting vs. Medium is that it is harder for the authors to reach a large audience. I mean, even if you don't want to make money from your cool project or tutorial or whatever, you still want people to see it. But man, I really hate Medium.

not true, I have started a blog and hosted it on blogspot at first but wasn't satisfied with the style in general and the lack of customization so I built my own in bootstrap + php and hosted it on a 5€/month Server. No tracking, no ads, no external libraries, no referral links, no monetization. After switching to my own I re-wrote one of the articles of my old blogspot posts (word for word) and because my custom sol…

Wow, your blog is beautiful!

I had used Hugo before, but I'm learning some Full Stack dev now (I work in Data Science, so it isn't my main work) and making a blog could be a good exercise.

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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Post by johs »

carlbordum wrote: post #164

Shameless plug: My friend and I are building a federated commenting system on top of Matrix if anyone is interested. You control the data, your users choose where they want to be signed up, and the system will not disappear overnight because a company decides to discontinue it. And of course there are no trackers/pixels. This is a hobby project that we're launching in three weeks. If you are interested, come talk to…

why not activatypub
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