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The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Post by niihau_island »

hacknat wrote: post #64
babesh wrote: post #32

There is semi-hidden animosity between the black and some Asian communities. Chinese immigrants are often the ones first moving into and then buying out people in black neighborhoods. Asian kids do disproportionately well in urban schools. Lowell High School is moving from a scoring based system to a lottery. Asian parents see this as unfair while black parents see the previous system as unfair. Chinese are tradition…

> The trade war with China has spread to demonization of Asians. Has it really though? I agree with pretty much everything else you said (though I’m unsure if getting a gun is warranted). I don’t think a trade war with China will spur too much in the way of anti-Asian sentiment. Americans were generally able to differentiate between Russians and their government during the Cold War. I’m not saying there won’t be nota…

> Americans were generally able to differentiate between Russians and their government during the Cold War.

And just 20 years before that the Japanese internment camps happened.

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Post by COGlory »

macrorules wrote: post #42

For most of 2020 the US gov (and much of the media) emphasized covid being not only from China but "a China virus". They never rejected or downplayed the baseless conspiracy theories that it was man made or a deliberate attack by the Chinese. The US actively promoted the equally baseless fear of espionage through tiktok or wechat (lmao) to the point of trying to ban these apps. Rather than quell peoples' fears and do…

The man made "conspiracy theories" are not baseless. There is a substantial amount of evidence that it is at least a possibility. There is also a substantial amount of evidence that China intentionally or unintentionally flubbed the handling of this pandemic at the beginning, and is at least partly responsibly for it's rapid spread.

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Post by f430 »

pkkim wrote: post #55
f430 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same with LA riots. We all know who were behind it but we can't even say it because of intimidation and political "incorrectness". Roof Koreans remember exactly who they were shooting at. edit: I guess you win the bet. You were flagged within 12 minutes. For the awful amount of whining HN does when it comes to big tech censorship, it's guilty of the very same thing. The irony. I predict my comments will soon be flagg…

Parent probably would not have been flagged if they had documented their sweeping claim with evidence, but they didn't. It added little to the discussion.

its amazing how language can obscure and censor basic facts. we can't even talk about it because it "offends" ppl, never mind the Korean immigrants who lost everything during the riots.

the koreans in LA all know the races of the people looting their stores. but the victims of the riots can't even point out the perpetrators and wat community they were from 30 years on.

hint: the looters weren't Asian Americans.

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Post by kazinator »

solipsism wrote: post #40
PurpleFoxy wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You basically can’t talk about this along with homophobic attacks. It’s an awkward fact no one wants to think about.

That's a bold claim. You shouldn't make it without proof.

According to solipsism, there is no "you" that needs to make a proof; that user is just a facet of your own mind. Your self is all that is real.

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Post by kazinator »

nitrogen wrote: post #44
babesh wrote: post #32

There is semi-hidden animosity between the black and some Asian communities. Chinese immigrants are often the ones first moving into and then buying out people in black neighborhoods. Asian kids do disproportionately well in urban schools. Lowell High School is moving from a scoring based system to a lottery. Asian parents see this as unfair while black parents see the previous system as unfair. Chinese are tradition…

I’m getting a gun. If violent people are anything like wild animals, pepper spray is safer and more effective. You actually have a good chance of hitting your attacker with a stream pepper spray, unlike with a tiny bullet. Your attacker (in the case of, say, a moose) is more likely to run away when hit with pepper than with a bullet. And you are less likely to have collateral damage.

Pepper spray is nothing; former Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien puts pepper on his plate, he had us know.

https://www.cbc.ca/archives/when-protest-met-pepper-spray-at...

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Post by minikites »

nitrogen wrote: post #44
babesh wrote: post #32

There is semi-hidden animosity between the black and some Asian communities. Chinese immigrants are often the ones first moving into and then buying out people in black neighborhoods. Asian kids do disproportionately well in urban schools. Lowell High School is moving from a scoring based system to a lottery. Asian parents see this as unfair while black parents see the previous system as unfair. Chinese are tradition…

I’m getting a gun. If violent people are anything like wild animals, pepper spray is safer and more effective. You actually have a good chance of hitting your attacker with a stream pepper spray, unlike with a tiny bullet. Your attacker (in the case of, say, a moose) is more likely to run away when hit with pepper than with a bullet. And you are less likely to have collateral damage.

If this is true, then we should disarm every cop.

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Post by calvinmorrison »

nexthash wrote: post #76
calvinmorrison wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're misinformed. People use hollow points to reduce over-penetration that occurs with a FMJ bullet

Do you really think the type of bullet matters? A bullet is a projectile whose sole purpose is to penetrate the human body at subsonic or supersonic speeds. The original commenter was advocating for carrying and using weapons that fire these bullets against innocent people. To me that's just depravity.

"lethal weapon loaded with the most damaging kind of ammunition on other people."

I mean clearly you though it mattered, so I was telling you why people prefer scary sounding hollow point ammo over FMJs.

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Post by red01 »

dcolkitt wrote: post #6

> Many blame the Trump administration for inciting this violence; Trump and numerous other members of his White House staff embraced racist and xenophobic anti-Asian rhetoric... > NYPD date showed that there has been a 1,900 percent increase anti-Asian hate crimes in New York City in the past year... An 84-year-old Thai American man, Vicha Ratanapakdee, was killed in an unprovoked attack in San Francisco; a 64-year-o…

It's Trump's fault Blacks in CA and NY are attacking Asians?

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Post by dragonwriter »

dcolkitt wrote: post #6

> Many blame the Trump administration for inciting this violence; Trump and numerous other members of his White House staff embraced racist and xenophobic anti-Asian rhetoric... > NYPD date showed that there has been a 1,900 percent increase anti-Asian hate crimes in New York City in the past year... An 84-year-old Thai American man, Vicha Ratanapakdee, was killed in an unprovoked attack in San Francisco; a 64-year-o…

There's a flagged-to-death response here that really deserves a response:

> It's Trump's fault Blacks in CA and NY are attacking Asians?

To the extent that it is blacks attacking Asians this is more plausible than it superficially might seem: people here love to cite the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect, but if you think that that is a significant force dealing with content of intellectual interest in a single news source, you probably ought to recognize how much more powerful it is for messages playing on out-group fear relayed through multiple social channels.

Sure, the ground is prepped for it by preexisting background racial animosity, but then even if not Trump specifically, a lot of that is also from racist propaganda of a white supremacist origin permeating society and turning nonwhite groups against each other.

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Post by dragonwriter »

dcolkitt wrote: post #115
IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perpetrators of racist attacks tend not to be accurate representations of the local population. And the fact that CA and NY are mentioned rather than Oklahoma and Idaho is far more likely to be the result of there actually being Asian people in New York and California. Plus, of course, these two states are among the most populated. There are far more Trump voters in California than the Dakotas.

There are 90,000 Asian Americans in Oklahoma. There are over a million in Texas. And more than half a million in Florida. Certainly enough for a pre-mediated act of political terrorism to find a target. You're constructing a false dichotomy where you assume all Red counties are rural, white, and low-population. That's definitely not true outside the coastal states. If the trend is being primarily driven by Republican…

> There are 90,000 Asian Americans in Oklahoma

There's about 300,000 in the City of San Francisco.

Heck, there's more of both Asians and Trump supporters in California than any red state, and probably far more of both in just red counties in California than in Oklahoma.

> You're constructing a false dichotomy where you assume all Red counties are rural, white, and low-population.

No, you’re constructing a dichotomy where blue states consist entirely of blue counties and blue voters.

> If the trend is being primarily driven by Republican voters

What if it's driven primarily by Republican voters who are lashing out at highly visible targets outside of official channels where they don't control local and state governments and therefore feel disempowered?

> Yet far more seem to occur in San Francisco

San Francisco has about twice as many Asians as Houston, with about 1/3 the total population, for about 6 times the concentration. The average Trump supporter in SF (where, sure, there are fewer) is going to encounter a lot more Asians in daily life than in Houston.

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