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The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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I don't think this is fully do to coronavirus. Media across the entire American political spectrum is beating the same drum: China is the enemy, and they need to be dealt with. Any Asian-American can tell you that the average American's ability to distinguish between people of Chinese ancestry vs. not is essentially nonexistent, so really this is just establishing that people who look East Asian are the enemy. You'll…

I have no good opinion on whether or not China, the nation and its government, should be considered an "enemy". But reasonable people can believe a government is an antagonist, while not blaming individuals from that nation. If people are getting confused, or are just plain racist, and are blaming individuals for the sins of a government, then that's the problem to solve. But the way to solve it isn't by avoiding unc…

> But reasonable people can believe a government is an antagonist, while not blaming individuals from that nation.

That's the exception, not the rule, from my experience. It takes very little to go from "fuck China" to "fuck Chinese people".

> If people are getting confused, or are just plain racist, and are blaming individuals for the sins of a government, then that's the problem to solve.

Is this seen as a problem for the powers that be? Will it ever be addressed? It's just collateral damage from what I can see- same as how brown people were treated during the War on Terror. I'm glad that there's a bit more visibility on this topic, but it's nowhere near solved. I doubt it can ever be solved, cynical as it sounds.

Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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post #32

There is semi-hidden animosity between the black and some Asian communities. Chinese immigrants are often the ones first moving into and then buying out people in black neighborhoods. Asian kids do disproportionately well in urban schools. Lowell High School is moving from a scoring based system to a lottery. Asian parents see this as unfair while black parents see the previous system as unfair. Chinese are tradition…

I’m getting a gun. If violent people are anything like wild animals, pepper spray is safer and more effective. You actually have a good chance of hitting your attacker with a stream pepper spray, unlike with a tiny bullet. Your attacker (in the case of, say, a moose) is more likely to run away when hit with pepper than with a bullet. And you are less likely to have collateral damage.

That’s why cops carry guns, because pepper spray works so well.

Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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post #46

Indian-American here. One thing I often find irritating about the phrase "Asian-American" is that it's usually used to refer to people with East Asian heritage (Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Thai, etc). Somehow people with South Asian heritage, like myself, often aren't included in that category, to the point that my girlfriend was surprised to hear that Indian-Americans count as Asian-American.

I think this is a symptom of the continent of Asia being so extremely large and diverse. To wit, every definition of Asia also includes the Arabian Peninsula, but most people would probably not intuitively classify Arab Americans as Asian Americans. The appropriation of "Asian American" to almost universally mean "East Asian Americans" is probably due to the lack of a specific, pre-existing demonym to describe people…

> how South Americans can be rightfully irritated that "American" gets used to refer to someone from the US

USA is the only country which has America in its name.

Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Does anyone know what factors are leading to this? Is it just viewing China as an enemy in the USA?

COVID plus a former social media influencer constantly complaining about China. I’d be more specific but the guy never got beyond „China has been SO UNFAIR to the America“.

Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What they are doing is establishing a shared belief among Americans that Chinese people are deserving of punishment (implied: via military means). For evidence I refer you to the book Manufacturing Consent by well-known computer scientist & political activist Noam Chomsky, who details how the US media again and again has used a strategy of selective reporting to categorize the world's people as deserving or undeservi…

The media are colluding to purposefully shift the mindset of American citizens toward believing that Chinese people deserve punishment? This has the ring of a full-on conspiracy theory. Sorry, but I don't believe for a second that the media could effectively collude on anything of that nature. Certainly not to the point of effectively gradually shifting American sentiment. Conspiracy theories are a dime a dozen these…

Chomsky's model does not rely on a conspiracy for the media to function the way it does. It simply follows from incentives. Cribbing from the wikipedia article, we have:

The propaganda model for the manufacture of public consent describes five editorially distorting filters, which are applied to the reporting of news in mass communications media. These five filters of editorial bias are:

(1) Size, ownership, and profit orientation: The dominant mass-media outlets are large profit-based operations, and therefore they must cater to the financial interests of the owners such as corporations and controlling investors. The size of a media company is a consequence of the investment capital required for the mass-communications technology required to reach a mass audience of viewers, listeners, and readers.

(2) The advertising license to do business: Since the majority of the revenue of major media outlets derives from advertising (not from sales or subscriptions), advertisers have acquired a "de facto licensing authority."[11] Media outlets are not commercially viable without the support of advertisers. News media must therefore cater to the political prejudices and economic desires of their advertisers. This has weakened the working class press, for example, and also helps explain the attrition in the number of newspapers.

(3) Sourcing mass media news: Herman and Chomsky argue that "the large bureaucracies of the powerful subsidize the mass media, and gain special access [to the news], by their contribution to reducing the media's costs of acquiring [...] and producing, news. The large entities that provide this subsidy become 'routine' news sources and have privileged access to the gates. Non-routine sources must struggle for access, and may be ignored by the arbitrary decision of the gatekeepers." Editorial distortion is aggravated by the news media's dependence upon private and governmental news sources. If a given newspaper, television station, magazine, etc., incurs disfavor from the sources, it is subtly excluded from access to information. Consequently, it loses readers or viewers, and ultimately, advertisers. To minimize such financial danger, news media businesses editorially distort their reporting to favor government and corporate policies in order to stay in business.[12]

(4) Flak and the enforcers: "Flak" refers to negative responses to a media statement or program (e.g. letters, complaints, lawsuits, or legislative actions). Flak can be expensive to the media, either due to loss of advertising revenue, or due to the costs of legal defense or defense of the media outlet's public image. Flak can be organized by powerful, private influence groups (e.g. think tanks). The prospect of eliciting flak can be a deterrent to the reporting of certain kinds of facts or opinions.[12]

(5) Anti-communism/war on terror: Anti-communism was included as a filter in the original 1988 edition of the book, but Chomsky argues that since the end of the Cold War (1945–91) anticommunism was replaced by the "war on terror" as the major social control mechanism.

Also it must be remarked: calling Chomsky a conspiracy theorist? On hacker news? Come on, man. This is an extensively researched, respected, and cited work.

Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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post #72
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There is semi-hidden animosity between the black and some Asian communities. Chinese immigrants are often the ones first moving into and then buying out people in black neighborhoods. Asian kids do disproportionately well in urban schools. Lowell High School is moving from a scoring based system to a lottery. Asian parents see this as unfair while black parents see the previous system as unfair. Chinese are tradition…

I am in solidarity with those Asian peoples who have been left behind by Tech Capital's H1-B cherry-picking, but I have absolutely no sympathy for Model Minority Settler Colonists Scabs who move into a neighborhood and threaten violence. Do us a favor and turn that gun on yourself, invader. You're displacing families in marginalized neighborhoods, you said it yourself. The reasons a family would immigrate here are th…

Kinda crazy there are people on this board that agree with this. I'm watching your comment grayout and un-grayout. Sad...

Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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post #6

> Many blame the Trump administration for inciting this violence; Trump and numerous other members of his White House staff embraced racist and xenophobic anti-Asian rhetoric... > NYPD date showed that there has been a 1,900 percent increase anti-Asian hate crimes in New York City in the past year... An 84-year-old Thai American man, Vicha Ratanapakdee, was killed in an unprovoked attack in San Francisco; a 64-year-o…

Perpetrators of racist attacks tend not to be accurate representations of the local population.

And the fact that CA and NY are mentioned rather than Oklahoma and Idaho is far more likely to be the result of there actually being Asian people in New York and California.

Plus, of course, these two states are among the most populated. There are far more Trump voters in California than the Dakotas.

Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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post #72
post #32

There is semi-hidden animosity between the black and some Asian communities. Chinese immigrants are often the ones first moving into and then buying out people in black neighborhoods. Asian kids do disproportionately well in urban schools. Lowell High School is moving from a scoring based system to a lottery. Asian parents see this as unfair while black parents see the previous system as unfair. Chinese are tradition…

I am in solidarity with those Asian peoples who have been left behind by Tech Capital's H1-B cherry-picking, but I have absolutely no sympathy for Model Minority Settler Colonists Scabs who move into a neighborhood and threaten violence. Do us a favor and turn that gun on yourself, invader. You're displacing families in marginalized neighborhoods, you said it yourself. The reasons a family would immigrate here are th…

You have got your facts all wrong.

I never bought into those gentrifying neighborhoods. I don’t even live in those neighborhoods. I grew up in a poor historically Chinese neighborhood. Many of the attacks are occurring historically Asian neighborhoods like that (Oakland and SF Chinatowns). What kind of gentrification are you talking about?

Tech people buy into different neighborhoods from the poorer Asian immigrants. The black neighborhoods were initially gentrified by non tech working class immigrants. Think cooks, construction workers, etc who have their entire families working and who scrounge up money for a down payment. Think Hunter’s Point and the Silver District. Many of those people also fled violence in their home countries. Mine did as did a sister in law.

The historically black neighborhood that is being gentrified by tech is actually Hayes Valley. That isn’t very Asian at all. Rich Asian tech isn’t moving to that neighborhood disproportionately. Rich Asian tech tends to move to suburbs and rich immigrant Asian tech moves to specific neighborhoods like Cupertino.

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