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The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Post by dragonwriter »

dcolkitt wrote: post #6

> Many blame the Trump administration for inciting this violence; Trump and numerous other members of his White House staff embraced racist and xenophobic anti-Asian rhetoric... > NYPD date showed that there has been a 1,900 percent increase anti-Asian hate crimes in New York City in the past year... An 84-year-old Thai American man, Vicha Ratanapakdee, was killed in an unprovoked attack in San Francisco; a 64-year-o…

> All of the examples cited occurred in some of the least Trump-supportive areas of the country.

So? Do you think Trump supporters are more likely to feel persecuted and lash out in rage against vulnerable targets outside of government-sanctioned mechanisms where they are a majority and control local government and institutions or where they are a small minority with little influence on local government and institutions?

And do you think that, even that general factor aside, when looking specifically at attacks on Asians by Trump supporters, the number of Trump supporters in the area is really more important than the frequency of interaction between Trump supporters and Asians?

Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Post by babesh »

There is semi-hidden animosity between the black and some Asian communities.

Chinese immigrants are often the ones first moving into and then buying out people in black neighborhoods.

Asian kids do disproportionately well in urban schools. Lowell High School is moving from a scoring based system to a lottery. Asian parents see this as unfair while black parents see the previous system as unfair.

Chinese are traditionally not seen as fighting back. Some criminals see elderly as easy marks due to the tendency to carry cash and due to their frailty.

The trade war with China has spread to demonization of Asians.

BLM riots and the lack of persecution and then the defund the police emboldened criminal activity including physical attacks.

This cycle of animosity and violence last occurred roughly 30 years ago.

I’m getting a gun.

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Post by solipsism »

ahelwer wrote: post #15

I don't think this is fully do to coronavirus. Media across the entire American political spectrum is beating the same drum: China is the enemy, and they need to be dealt with. Any Asian-American can tell you that the average American's ability to distinguish between people of Chinese ancestry vs. not is essentially nonexistent, so really this is just establishing that people who look East Asian are the enemy. You'll…

I have no good opinion on whether or not China, the nation and its government, should be considered an "enemy". But reasonable people can believe a government is an antagonist, while not blaming individuals from that nation.

If people are getting confused, or are just plain racist, and are blaming individuals for the sins of a government, then that's the problem to solve.

But the way to solve it isn't by avoiding uncomfortable truths about governments (or about anything).

Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Post by devmunchies »

babesh wrote: post #32

There is semi-hidden animosity between the black and some Asian communities. Chinese immigrants are often the ones first moving into and then buying out people in black neighborhoods. Asian kids do disproportionately well in urban schools. Lowell High School is moving from a scoring based system to a lottery. Asian parents see this as unfair while black parents see the previous system as unfair. Chinese are tradition…

> I’m getting a gun.

good luck. ammo sold out across country.

Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Post by mrslave »

devmunchies wrote: post #28
gautamcgoel wrote: post #8

Indian-American here. One thing I often find irritating about the phrase "Asian-American" is that it's usually used to refer to people with East Asian heritage (Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Thai, etc). Somehow people with South Asian heritage, like myself, often aren't included in that category, to the point that my girlfriend was surprised to hear that Indian-Americans count as Asian-American.

yeah but no caste system in US so consider it a win.

Arranged marriages by parents back home is widespread.

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Post by userbinator »

gautamcgoel wrote: post #8

Indian-American here. One thing I often find irritating about the phrase "Asian-American" is that it's usually used to refer to people with East Asian heritage (Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Thai, etc). Somehow people with South Asian heritage, like myself, often aren't included in that category, to the point that my girlfriend was surprised to hear that Indian-Americans count as Asian-American.

The fact that Chinese and other East Asian people look far more similar and are the stereotypical "Asian" than Indians and other South Asians is responsible for that. Likewise, there's another comment here about the Russians (North Asians). To the average American, Indian and Russian are probably separate categories from Asian.

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Post by BikiniPrince »

babesh wrote: post #32

There is semi-hidden animosity between the black and some Asian communities. Chinese immigrants are often the ones first moving into and then buying out people in black neighborhoods. Asian kids do disproportionately well in urban schools. Lowell High School is moving from a scoring based system to a lottery. Asian parents see this as unfair while black parents see the previous system as unfair. Chinese are tradition…

9mm Sig with some hollow points. Although you will likely be limited to an overpriced f&n. Welcome to the club!

Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Post by nexthash »

exolymph wrote: post #22
ahelwer wrote: post #15

I don't think this is fully do to coronavirus. Media across the entire American political spectrum is beating the same drum: China is the enemy, and they need to be dealt with. Any Asian-American can tell you that the average American's ability to distinguish between people of Chinese ancestry vs. not is essentially nonexistent, so really this is just establishing that people who look East Asian are the enemy. You'll…

I doubt that the teenagers running up to Asian elders to push them over are motivated by hawkish sentiment toward China. I'd be surprised if they have any awareness of geopolitics whatsoever.

First of all, you underestimate the intelligence of teens and their ability to perceive/think about the world. Second, if there's a pattern of attacks on Asian elders in America as discussed in the article, that isn't any accident. They are being identified and targeted because of their race, motivated by fearmongering about traditional nativist myths and the 'coronavirus made by Asians' myth.

Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Post by solipsism »

PurpleFoxy wrote: post #16
baggy_trough wrote: post #5

Most of the attacks are from blacks but you'd never know it from reading that article, which mentions a white attacker in 1982 and Donald Trump.

You basically can’t talk about this along with homophobic attacks. It’s an awkward fact no one wants to think about.

That's a bold claim. You shouldn't make it without proof.
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