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In what way?
Mozilla was sort of de-facto the steward of the language up until recently. They stupidly fired the teams behind their most promising R&D project and lost any semblance of control over it.
Announcements also from Mozilla, Amazon and Microsoft: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/02/08/mozilla-welcomes-th... https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/congratulations-rust... https://cloudblogs.microsoft.com/opensource/2021/02/08/micro...
I‘d love to see Apple joining. They already have the hand on LLVM and support things indirectly, but... There is no reason that serious things written in Rust can‘t coexist with app-y stuff in swift. Seriously, I think we all would benefit enormously from some consolidation, especially on such a great foundation like Rust. Think investments like: compiler-optimizations like V8, portability like C, enterprise grade to…
The board's vote seems to be heavily biased in favor of large corporations, with half the seats for them, 2 for the community, and 3 for "project areas." Contrast this with the governance of GCC, which has all of them as community members or project areas.
Awesome news! Rust is easily the best programming experience I've had--the language feels incredibly well thought out, common tooling like doc generation and dependency management are included with the language, and the compiler takes full advantage of language features such that my editor's linter is able to detect most mistakes I make and the language itself guards me from doing anything obviously unsafe. I thought…
serious question : would you recommend Rust for CRUDdy type of web applications -- stuff where mostly you are firing off prepared statememts at a SQL db and then applying business logic to result set. This is what most J2EE apps do currently.
Announcements also from Mozilla, Amazon and Microsoft: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/02/08/mozilla-welcomes-th... https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/congratulations-rust... https://cloudblogs.microsoft.com/opensource/2021/02/08/micro...
Why make the Rust Foundation be its own corporate entity, instead of a project within another major non-profit like the Software Freedom Conservancy? (For those not familiar, SFC is the home of Git, Godot Engine, Homebrew, Inkscape, QEMU, and Wine.) My worry would be that this is happening because Amazon, Google, and Microsoft want control over the foundation. (They are writing the checks, so no surprise they'd want…
An example of a project I think would be less healthy under an umbrella would be LibreOffice. An example of a project I think would be more healthy under an umbrella would be the Haiku Operating System.
You largely cannot fight those big cheques, if you say "We don't want any corporate influence, go away", you lose, Amazon, Google and Microsoft do go away and build I dunno, "Titanium", a language eerily similar to Rust and with lots of manpower and money behind it.
You can put some structures in place to reduce the worst influences of money, you obviously don't want a situation where one day everybody senior at the Rust Foundation wouldn't know an IEEE float from a UTF-16 code unit and the language is allowed to decay and fail while executives fill their pockets from the dwindling coffers. But there are practical limits, at some point you must trust in the basic goodness of your fellow humans.
Our industry hasn't really been around long enough for the worst rot to set in, but there's a Vox story (I think?) years back about the problem of zombie foundations, with a set mission that ceased to make sense in the modern world. There's plenty of money but the intended charitable purpose no longer makes sense. A free primary school for the "disadvantaged" children in a long-since gentrified inner city region where the average child today is a millionaire is the sort of problem that arises.
Awesome news! Rust is easily the best programming experience I've had--the language feels incredibly well thought out, common tooling like doc generation and dependency management are included with the language, and the compiler takes full advantage of language features such that my editor's linter is able to detect most mistakes I make and the language itself guards me from doing anything obviously unsafe. I thought…
serious question : would you recommend Rust for CRUDdy type of web applications -- stuff where mostly you are firing off prepared statememts at a SQL db and then applying business logic to result set. This is what most J2EE apps do currently.
It's been a slow side project for the last month learning the ecosystem and figuring out how to properly deal with types etc.
But now I have a page that uses an opaque cookie stored in the database to identify the logged in user and return proof of success in a rendered template. My goal was to keep server latency for that request below a millisecond, and it ended up being about 100 microseconds on my laptop, so 10 times faster than I was hoping for. I'm just not sure how I could have achieved that with, for example, Django.
So I guess what I'm saying is that it's slow and challenging for me, at least in the beginning. But it's getting faster and easier over time. And in the end, I'm creating something with performance and reliability that would be hard to achieve in another way.
Announcements also from Mozilla, Amazon and Microsoft: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/02/08/mozilla-welcomes-th... https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/congratulations-rust... https://cloudblogs.microsoft.com/opensource/2021/02/08/micro...
I‘d love to see Apple joining. They already have the hand on LLVM and support things indirectly, but... There is no reason that serious things written in Rust can‘t coexist with app-y stuff in swift. Seriously, I think we all would benefit enormously from some consolidation, especially on such a great foundation like Rust. Think investments like: compiler-optimizations like V8, portability like C, enterprise grade to…
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Don't most of those points apply to all of the companies involved? Not defending Huawei here, but basically every tech giant has a bad track record regarding these topics. In general it's a very traditional tech worker dilemma: Do I want to get a good salary working on interesting problems that is mostly of interests of big tech companies that make their money via arguably shady means, or do I want to earn an average…
For example, what ICE does and what China is doing in Xinjiang may be superficially similar but there are also huge differences. For example, ICE incarcerates people who voluntarily enter the United States, while in Xinjiang the CCP incarcerates the native population. Also at any given time the CCP is detaining probably > 10x the number of ICE detainees.
So no, those points do not apply equally to all the companies involved.
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You're in a Rust thread, I think the general response is going to be, "Yes!" And I personally, say yes. But that comes with some caveats. You will be entering an ecosystem that doesn't have all the libraries that folks coming from the rich history of Java has, so you will most likely be signing up for some extra work. But, this is also a great opportunity, because it means that you could be responsible for building a…
"But, this is also a great opportunity, because it means that you could be responsible for building a missing library or feature. " Ok, so this is an 'opportunity' for some, but a 'big cost' for others. So remember there are very few Rust devs out there, it is a little bit hard, and though a good chunk of devs might jump at the chance to learn, others, not so much. It would be a really hard thing to rationally do a '…
Nothing you said is wrong per se, but it’s also not entirely accurate. First, there are very good db connection libraries available to Rust users, with good connection pooling options. Second there are good ORMs if that’s something you enjoy using. Third there are excellent application server options in Rocket and Actix available.
Your comment implies these don’t exist. It’s more the edge cases, and the things outside the DB that will be issues. And even there, you’d need to get into specific areas that would cause issues due to lack of available implementations.
In terms of developers out there that want to work with a language, there’s no better response to that than it’s “the most loved language”, and that may translate to many people adopting and expanding its use.