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Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by ceejayoz »

eldavido wrote: post #735
jennyyang wrote: post #658

We need regulations to enforce adequate customer service and SLAs in these huge companies. Google is getting away with this behavior because of their monopolistic behavior. If they had competition, they would be spending billions on customer support, but because they have a monopoly, they can get away with having virtually none. This is their way of saving money and taking advantage of their monopoly. It's a shadow v…

No! What we need is competition and choice to ensure companies are responsive to what people want. I can't, for the life of me, understand why people think "regulation" will magic away all our problems. Here's what happens: a lengthy political process results in a bunch of laws getting passed. The large companies who have enough skin in the game to care send their lobbyists, who ensure the outcome of the process does…

"Regulation" also gave us things like a rapid reduction of deaths in cars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in...) and airliners (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_safety#/media/File:Fa...), and it's hardly illegal to start a Google competitor.

"Competition" isn't a cure-all any more than "regulation" is. Google got big because they competed well with the alternatives at the time.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by brundolf »

VRay wrote: post #730
brundolf wrote: post #691

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's impossible that streamed games will find a market, but I think there are several hurdles that (unsurprisingly) weren't apparent to a company with no experience in the industry: 1) PC gamers tend to revel in owning (building, customizing, optimizing) their hardware; not just because it lets them play the games they want to play, but even for its own sake. RGB arrays, overclocking, custom case builds…

One quick nitpick: The latency in streaming isn't as bad as you'd think Most AAA games already have 200+ ms delays between pressing a button and anything happening on-screen. So there's plenty of room to redesign things to work around that latency in a lot of games (This obviously doesn't apply to high-end play on twitch shooters or fighting games though, those are pretty much screwed when it comes to streaming)

Wow, I didn't realize it was that high. I stand corrected.

I think most of the above still applies, but maybe expand "it'll be good enough for some people" to include some portion of average console-gamers (assuming the rest of the productization is done right, and assuming those console-gamers have fairly good internet)

The thing is that, even there, if you're putting it on a TV you're likely not going to want to plug in your Macbook or whatever. Which means, if you don't already have a console, you're going to be buying dedicated hardware regardless. Which significantly cuts into the "savings"/"no-purchase" angle, and steepens the question of "what's the point of this?"

One thought though: Microsoft could use this as a way to keep last-gen console owners engaged. At some future date when the Xbox Series Y or Z or whatever comes out, people with a Series S might still be able to play the latest games by streaming them. They're using dedicated hardware that plugs into a TV, but it's hardware they already bought which is essentially being repurposed.

Edit: Another thing is that the subscription model and the streaming model don't have to go hand-in-hand. I think game subscriptions are absolutely the future, but I think there will always be a market for devices that download and run those subscribed games locally.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by newswasboring »

vkou wrote: post #745
newswasboring wrote: post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is possible to drop Google and Facebook. Its also possible to live without electricity and running water. This disproportionate power model doesn't work there because some people implemented regulations on them. I am beginning to suspect we need similar laws for this.

If you are equating a world without Facebook to a world without running water, you need to spend a week camping, where you leave your phone at home. You'll very quickly discover why they are not at all alike.

Oh if you think running water is important, try growing up in a desert. You will quickly realize still water is enough. WTF is this line of logic?

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by rabboRubble »

Perfect time to advertise Google's Takeout Services:

https://takeout.google.com/

This service permits the export of (nearly?) all Google services data on both a scheduled and unscheduled on-demand basis.

I have my Google account configure to automatically export all service data every 2 months and upload ZIP files to MS OneDrive. This process completely bypasses me and my local computer. I just have to remember to check that the data transferred to OneDrive as expected.

The only constructive criticism I have of the Takeout Services scheduled process is that the scheduled exports are limited to a one year duration. I have to remember to reconfigure the next year's scheduled exports. Ideally I'd be permitted to set and forget, with a periodic reminder that the export is still happening and a "Good" / "Not Good" confirmation that the process ought continue.

Takeout Services won't restore function and applications, but at least a great part of my data won't be irretrievably lost.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by craftinator »

tjpnz wrote: post #194
p410n3 wrote: post #9

This happens again and again. I have had that happen to my twitter account. I see this regulary on HN. My suspicion is that this is mostly happening because platforms that big like google or twitter rely very heavily on machine learning and other AI related technology to ban people. Because honestly, the amount of spam and abuse that are likely happening on these platforms has to be mind boggling high. So I get why t…

>Why would they continue like that. Sheer hubris?

> Sheer hubris?

I would actually lean towards organizational incompetence. There is just too much human brain mass at Google to say the the company as a whole is screwing up this bad because of hubris. They are just at such a high complexity level that the disorganization is causing incompetent outcomes.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by georgeecollins »

eldavido wrote: post #735
jennyyang wrote: post #658

We need regulations to enforce adequate customer service and SLAs in these huge companies. Google is getting away with this behavior because of their monopolistic behavior. If they had competition, they would be spending billions on customer support, but because they have a monopoly, they can get away with having virtually none. This is their way of saving money and taking advantage of their monopoly. It's a shadow v…

No! What we need is competition and choice to ensure companies are responsive to what people want. I can't, for the life of me, understand why people think "regulation" will magic away all our problems. Here's what happens: a lengthy political process results in a bunch of laws getting passed. The large companies who have enough skin in the game to care send their lobbyists, who ensure the outcome of the process does…

Regulation gave us Google (and chrome).

If the US and the EU hadn't threatened Microsoft with anti-trust they clearly would have embedded browser and search into their (then) dominant OS.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by brundolf »

TheJoYo wrote: post #749
brundolf wrote: post #691

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's impossible that streamed games will find a market, but I think there are several hurdles that (unsurprisingly) weren't apparent to a company with no experience in the industry: 1) PC gamers tend to revel in owning (building, customizing, optimizing) their hardware; not just because it lets them play the games they want to play, but even for its own sake. RGB arrays, overclocking, custom case builds…

You don't need to buy a Stadia controller to play Stadia. It's free with an optional subscription for games and 4k.

The confusing messaging around that question has been a big part of the problem

Regardless though, I think buying full-priced games that you don't actually own is the real non-starter. These aren't $0.99 songs on iTunes; these are $60 investments.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by mullingitover »

Google has a serious problem with their tightly coupled identities. They need to be forced to decouple their business so losing your YouTube account doesn't have an effect on your email service or literally any other service. Clearly they're not going to do it voluntarily, so it's time for courts to step in and start taking care of consumers.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by orlp »

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #734

If you've got an automated vetting process with a 99.999% success rate, but are dealing with billions of accounts, that's still tens of thousands of false positives. At that level, "percentage" is an insufficient measure. You want "permillionage", or maybe more colloquially "DPM" for "Defects Per Million" or even "DPB". You'll still get false positives though, so you provide an appeal process. But what's to prevent t…

> But 0.001% of billions or users is still millions of accounts...

Not that I disagree with your point, but even if we assume 50 billion accounts (6+ for every human on earth), 0.001% of that would still be 'just' 100k, not millions.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by esja »

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #734

If you've got an automated vetting process with a 99.999% success rate, but are dealing with billions of accounts, that's still tens of thousands of false positives. At that level, "percentage" is an insufficient measure. You want "permillionage", or maybe more colloquially "DPM" for "Defects Per Million" or even "DPB". You'll still get false positives though, so you provide an appeal process. But what's to prevent t…

The lesson here is: you are too big. If you were smaller, you could manage these issues. But you choose to be big instead.
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