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Re: GitHub: Block the Bullies

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How does anyone in the Ruby "community" have the time to get any actual work done? No other language community in the world behaves like this.

The same way the Open Source "community" has time to get actual work done - real developers do it while the trolls mess around.

But where are the Erlang trolls or the C++ trolls? They don't exist!

Re: GitHub: Block the Bullies

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This is a very good feature, but I am also afraid it will make Zed Shaw and others think that his attempt to out-troll the trolls and multiply internet drama was a force for positive change. "If you throw a big enough temper tantrum and incite a large enough shitstorm, developers will address your concerns" is an unfortunate precedent. The fact that controversy and negativity attracts eyeballs and can trigger improve…

I love how you're this paragon of stoic virtue, and I'm a drama queen, yet, here you are talking about it even more instead of ignoring it and going back to whatever it was you were doing.

Thanks for the reply, and your accusation of hypocrisy has some justice to it. I actually have a lot of respect for you and appreciate your projects and most of your writing, but I still don't think you handled this entire situation as well as you could have. I apologize if some of my vocabulary ("tantrum") is itself an example of what I was criticizing.

Re: GitHub: Block the Bullies

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Background: http://sheddingbikes.com/posts/1306816425.html In all fairness, the guy was being a dick (no pun intended) to Zed. However, Zed should have kept the insults to the troll and left Github, Powerset, Engine Yard, and the Ruby community out.

How does anyone in the Ruby "community" have the time to get any actual work done? No other language community in the world behaves like this.

The value proposition of the Ruby community has more to do with their mindshare than their technical merit.

Compare and contrast Scientology with Psychiatry. Both communities make similar value propositions: improve mental health.

Scientology is optimized to gain and keep converts and to spread like a viral meme.

Psychiatry is optimized to achieve good treatment outcomes.

Scientology makes more money despite being a less effective form of therapy.

Virality itself is adaptive, so the Ruby community thrives and survives despite being a mediocre technology. Everything about ruby is optimized for gaining converts, attention and cohesion. Hard technical merit is less important in this case than community cohesion, growth, and publicity. Flamewars bring the ruby community publicity and this leads to growth which leads to the survival and replication of ruby.

Erlang and C++ survive on hard technical merits. They take a different evolutionary strategy that requires less propaganda / groupthink.

Just look at the life cycle of communities as if they were a species and it all makes sense.

Re: GitHub: Block the Bullies

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I'm not sure how many times I have to say it: Adding someone as a collaborator is not publicly visible until you collaborate (make commits) on the project. At that point we show the activity on your public profile.

Up until just now, I didn't know that. And if you didn't reply to my comment just now, I still wouldn't know it. And you explicitly telling people about how being a collaborator works isn't a scalable way for people to find out. And it sounds like this question/issue has come up before. Perhaps it can be made clearer somehow? In any case, thanks for clarifying when you become visible as a collaborator, even if only i…

Your comment [1] is a direct reply to one where kneath explicitly states it [2].

    [1]: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2606063
    [2]: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2605804
For me, it was pretty obvious because it doesn't show up on the profile under 'Public Repositories', only on the dashboard in a list of projects you have access to.

Re: GitHub: Block the Bullies

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It's interesting to me that so many people want confirmations. You can remove yourself from any repository you wish at https://github.com/account/repositories (yes, I know — this is a confusing place. It's something I'd like to improve). But the idea is that "Confirm? Reject." is the same number of steps/interactions as "Added. Reject." Confirmations wouldn't make the experience any better for someone being annoyingl…

I would disagree. If I happened to be in the job market, and my potential employer were to look at my github profile (yes, we do look at your github profile) and find "bigdicksucker" as one of the repos I'm apparently a "contributor" on, well, that wouldn't look too good, would it?

Sounds like a discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation lawsuit!

Re: GitHub: Block the Bullies

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You do realize that discussing internet drama is what spurs people to create internet drama, right?

Citation needed. This doesn't look self-evident at all to me.

A situation is not an "internet drama" by itself. It needs people talking and/or arguing about it. It is evident to me.

Re: GitHub: Block the Bullies

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I'm glad Zed made this an issue. No one should be harassed like that. Honestly, it made github look very unprofessional. I'm glad they stepped-in and fixed it.

Re: GitHub: Block the Bullies

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Background: http://sheddingbikes.com/posts/1306816425.html In all fairness, the guy was being a dick (no pun intended) to Zed. However, Zed should have kept the insults to the troll and left Github, Powerset, Engine Yard, and the Ruby community out.

That's a pretty lucid and well written account. I would like to know more about the connection between HackerNewsTips and Github though. Github employees have denied it here on HN.

Re: GitHub: Block the Bullies

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So, you basically were stirring up drama by exaggerating what I said for effect, yet I'm the drama queen and attention whore. Next time, actually read what I write instead of just imagining you read it after seeing a stream of tweets and your buddies on reddit tell it to you 4th person in some comments. For example, I didn't contact github because I knew one of the peole working there was in on the joke. If you read…

> For example, I didn't contact github because I knew one of the peole working there was in on the joke. For the record, this isn't true no matter how many times you repeat it. You should have emailed us and we would have taken care of it without a holiday weekend filled with unnecessary drama.

> For the record, this isn't true no matter how many times you repeat it.

What it looks like from an outsider: He said, (s)he said.

I don't know if Zed is right. I don't know if you are right. What I do know is Zed Shaw ranted and got stuff fixed. Apparently, their was some merit to what he was saying, and at least the majority of his story can confirmed to be true. As for the employee, it's just as easy for you to be misinformed or simply ignorant of the truth as it is for Zed to be wrong. No malice, just mistaken.

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