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Re: GitHub: Block the Bullies

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Post by zedshaw »

defroost wrote: post #42
jz wrote: post #26

Background: http://sheddingbikes.com/posts/1306816425.html In all fairness, the guy was being a dick (no pun intended) to Zed. However, Zed should have kept the insults to the troll and left Github, Powerset, Engine Yard, and the Ruby community out.

I guess he felt that others besides the troll were having a laugh at his expense, (i.e., the HN Tips guys comments, other penis-oriented repos connected to employees of aforementioned companies) and were, if only indirectly, in on the joke.

Yep, that's what people seem to gloss over when they think I just overreacted. I knew for a fact that several Ruby people considered this hilarious, and that one or more of them worked at github. In that situation, it's either I leave silently (which everyone thinks I should have done), or bring the issue up and make sure everyone knows what's going on. I prefer the latter because it at least lets others come behind me and avoid the problem.

Thankfully, they've fixed the problem now and I don't have to worry about it anymore.

Re: GitHub: Block the Bullies

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Post by Zev »

kneath wrote: post #41
ktsmith wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the number of steps isn't really that important. For me I care more about permission being explicit and not implicit. I prefer systems where other users have to get my permission to interact with me rather than automatically having permission to do so. It matters more on systems other than github but I think there's still an avenue for abuse with the current set up. It should be fairly trivial to script accou…

You'd just have a dashboard full of invites instead of a dashboard full of add notices. I have a feeling people just recoil to confirmation systems because it's comfortable. But remember that Undo > Confirmation. Always.

Given the choice between a private dashboard vs a public repo list being spammed, I'll take the former, any day. I don't want either, but the former is an annoyance to me and only me. The latter is something that can (potentially) give a bad impression of me to others.

Remember that reputation is important. Always.

Re: GitHub: Block the Bullies

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Post by kneath »

Zev wrote: post #52
kneath wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd just have a dashboard full of invites instead of a dashboard full of add notices. I have a feeling people just recoil to confirmation systems because it's comfortable. But remember that Undo > Confirmation. Always.

Given the choice between a private dashboard vs a public repo list being spammed, I'll take the former, any day. I don't want either, but the former is an annoyance to me and only me . The latter is something that can (potentially) give a bad impression of me to others . Remember that reputation is important. Always.

I'm not sure how many times I have to say it: Adding someone as a collaborator is not publicly visible until you collaborate (make commits) on the project. At that point we show the activity on your public profile.

Re: GitHub: Block the Bullies

#54

Post by endlessvoid94 »

zedshaw wrote: post #49
endlessvoid94 wrote: post #32

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I do not agree. You can't simply ignore HOW somebody says something. How you say something almost more important than what you say. If Zed hadn't written a blog post detailing how he fucked everything up (in all his greatness, apparently) it wouldn't have gotten such exposure and would likely have died out. He had to make his point with a hammer or it wouldn't have mattered. And it's unfortunate that it took a hammer…

> If Zed hadn't written a blog post detailing how he fucked everything up (in all his greatness, apparently) it wouldn't have gotten such exposure and would likely have died out. Can you explain where in my blog post I claim I'm great? I think all I did was explain what was happening and how this was someone who bothered me in the past and followed me to github, and then there was nothing I could do about it.

I guess I figured it was implied. With your influence, you totally could've emailed the github guys and voice your concerns privately. Instead, you chose to do your own thing and publicize it and how awesomely you pwned the dude.

And then you claimed it was all to improve the github experience. Cmon.

Re: GitHub: Block the Bullies

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Post by zedshaw »

endlessvoid94 wrote: post #5

I think this was a good response to an attention whore. EDIT: I wasn't trolling. Not even a single response?

You know what, you're a dickhead. Guys like you are all tough when they're on forums like this, but you wouldn't ever say anything like this to my face. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've been to a couple meetups in the city and you've not said a damn thing to me.

Next time you want to call me a "whore", why don't you email me and meet me in person like a man instead of pretending like you are one online.

Re: GitHub: Block the Bullies

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Post by endlessvoid94 »

zedshaw wrote: post #55
endlessvoid94 wrote: post #5

I think this was a good response to an attention whore. EDIT: I wasn't trolling. Not even a single response?

You know what, you're a dickhead. Guys like you are all tough when they're on forums like this, but you wouldn't ever say anything like this to my face. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've been to a couple meetups in the city and you've not said a damn thing to me. Next time you want to call me a "whore", why don't you email me and meet me in person like a man instead of pretending like you are one online.

Wow, dude. Chill out. I'd be MORE than happy to meet up and grab a beer with you.

I've been to ONE meetup in the city, and aftewords someone mentioned you were there. Jesus.

EDIT: Just sent you an email, hopefully it went to the right place. Couldn't find one on your website or your HN profile (or your twitter account).

Re: GitHub: Block the Bullies

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Post by zedshaw »

redthrowaway wrote: post #35
jonursenbach wrote: post #30

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I never understood why people absolutely loathe Zed Shaw.

I don't actively loathe him, but the persona he spends so much time cultivating is brash and irritating. It seems whenever I see his name mentioned, it's because he's making a stink about something, rather than doing something useful. I get that he does useful things, and LPtHW is apparently a great resource, but he (intentionally) attracts far more attention with his antics than his works. The court jester may make…

Oh look, another anonymous troll that has exactly the same validity and standing as my comment.

This place is awesome with the anonymous posters.

Re: GitHub: Block the Bullies

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Post by Zev »

kneath wrote: post #53
Zev wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the choice between a private dashboard vs a public repo list being spammed, I'll take the former, any day. I don't want either, but the former is an annoyance to me and only me . The latter is something that can (potentially) give a bad impression of me to others . Remember that reputation is important. Always.

I'm not sure how many times I have to say it: Adding someone as a collaborator is not publicly visible until you collaborate (make commits) on the project. At that point we show the activity on your public profile.

Up until just now, I didn't know that. And if you didn't reply to my comment just now, I still wouldn't know it.

And you explicitly telling people about how being a collaborator works isn't a scalable way for people to find out. And it sounds like this question/issue has come up before. Perhaps it can be made clearer somehow?

In any case, thanks for clarifying when you become visible as a collaborator, even if only in this one comment to me.

Re: GitHub: Block the Bullies

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Post by rimantas »

zedshaw wrote: post #49
endlessvoid94 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not agree. You can't simply ignore HOW somebody says something. How you say something almost more important than what you say. If Zed hadn't written a blog post detailing how he fucked everything up (in all his greatness, apparently) it wouldn't have gotten such exposure and would likely have died out. He had to make his point with a hammer or it wouldn't have mattered. And it's unfortunate that it took a hammer…

> If Zed hadn't written a blog post detailing how he fucked everything up (in all his greatness, apparently) it wouldn't have gotten such exposure and would likely have died out. Can you explain where in my blog post I claim I'm great? I think all I did was explain what was happening and how this was someone who bothered me in the past and followed me to github, and then there was nothing I could do about it.

  > Can you explain where in my blog post I claim I'm great?
Maybe people still remember this: http://web.archive.org/web/20090218021137/http://zedshaw.com... Sure you try to mask it as an attempt to be funny, but even if "it’s all an act" that acts make the person. Now I am off to http://bellard.org/ to clean my mind a bit.

Re: GitHub: Block the Bullies

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Post by zedshaw »

endlessvoid94 wrote: post #56
zedshaw wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know what, you're a dickhead. Guys like you are all tough when they're on forums like this, but you wouldn't ever say anything like this to my face. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've been to a couple meetups in the city and you've not said a damn thing to me. Next time you want to call me a "whore", why don't you email me and meet me in person like a man instead of pretending like you are one online.

Wow, dude. Chill out. I'd be MORE than happy to meet up and grab a beer with you. I've been to ONE meetup in the city, and aftewords someone mentioned you were there. Jesus. EDIT: Just sent you an email, hopefully it went to the right place. Couldn't find one on your website or your HN profile (or your twitter account).

Chill out? You just called me a whore douchebag. Now you want to buy me a beer?

You see, this is what pisses me off about you whiners claiming I'm stirring up drama. I didn't say a damn thing to you until you started insulting me in these comments. I didn't say a damn thing to you. The only contact I've had with you is one tweet. Yet, here you are insulting me as if you know me personally and I've treated you poorly.

Then what do you think I should do? Oh that's right, not be a drama queen and just shut up and let you call me goddamn whore. 'Cause if I stand up to you, I'm causing drama, but you coming here and insulting me is totally alright and just a nice Tuesday evening.

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