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Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by prepend »

jug wrote: post #55

This makes me anxious about my long time Gmail address. Back then I got it just because it and Google was cool, and their services had a good reputation. It was a different Google back then. If they had launched it this year I would never have got one because chances are it would have been cancelled by 2025. Gmail is really the only valuable thing that actually ties my life to Google. And it's not that hard to replac…

What I’ve been slowly doing over the years is proxying all accounts behind addresses at my domain (that then forward to my gmail, natch).

So at least I could redirect my accounts to a new address if worst happens.

I’ve been trying to switch off gmail for a while but spam filtering is really hard for me.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by newswasboring »

nvahalik wrote: post #369
_qulr wrote: post #285

It's painfully clear at this point that we need a consumer "bill of rights" to protect us from these giant tech companies. At the very least, companies must be legally required to present you in writing with the so-called violation of terms they're accusing you of, evidence of the violation, and a phone # or other immediate contact so that you can dispute the accusations. It's insane that these basic legal rights don…

> It's painfully clear at this point that we need a consumer "bill of rights" to protect us from these giant tech companies I get where you're going, but I think far more costly to them and advantageous for us is to simply show them that they are unnecessary. If we can drop them so easily, they can't pull stuff like this anymore. It is possible to drop Google and Facebook. They do this stuff because people _need_ the…

> It is possible to drop Google and Facebook.

Its also possible to live without electricity and running water. This disproportionate power model doesn't work there because some people implemented regulations on them. I am beginning to suspect we need similar laws for this.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by conradfr »

michaelbuckbee wrote: post #427
_qulr wrote: post #285

It's painfully clear at this point that we need a consumer "bill of rights" to protect us from these giant tech companies. At the very least, companies must be legally required to present you in writing with the so-called violation of terms they're accusing you of, evidence of the violation, and a phone # or other immediate contact so that you can dispute the accusations. It's insane that these basic legal rights don…

This is in part what the GDPR mandates - that companies provide reasoning for how an automatic process works and also that there is a means to dispute that (Section 4 / Article 22) https://www.varonis.com/blog/gdpr-requirements-list-in-plain...

But then ... https://twitter.com/Cleroth/status/1348036873885806596

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by vaduz »

greatpatton wrote: post #358
Semaphor wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Unless you've waived that right when you agreed to the Terms of Service. Which would be meaningless in the EU (I think. Possibly just Germany) as you can’t waive that right.

It's the same in France and I think most of EU as the highest french court ruled that forced arbitration was against EU law.

> It's the same in France and I think most of EU as the highest french court ruled that forced arbitration was against EU law.

For consumers or businesses? Not being nitpicky here: I am not familiar with the French ruling, so I would genuinely want to know - as regulations tend to differ (businesses, even single sole trader ones, do not enjoy consumer protections). Not really relevant for the Terraria dev as it is his personal account that is banned, from the sound of it - but important.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by Tinyyy »

RL_Quine wrote: post #309
me_me_me wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of those people are children, or adult-children. Anyone else just doesn't care. I think this is just a case of very vocal minority. Who reasonable is exited about Stadia anyways? I don't think it will last till next year without being slashed by google.

Definitely need to make a betting site based on the death date of google products. I wager 18 months.

I’ll take the other side of the bet, for $100, that the core product of Stadia (video game streaming) will still be playable 18 months from today.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by ralfn »

p410n3 wrote: post #9

This happens again and again. I have had that happen to my twitter account. I see this regulary on HN. My suspicion is that this is mostly happening because platforms that big like google or twitter rely very heavily on machine learning and other AI related technology to ban people. Because honestly, the amount of spam and abuse that are likely happening on these platforms has to be mind boggling high. So I get why t…

Yeah. Its super scary. The idea that an algorithm decides and no legal recourse, all decided by a company that has an illegal amount of control on what is supposed to be public space.

Imagine all the public squares to be owned by some company rather than the community. Now imagine an algorithm deciding to exclude you from that. To just ban you from participating in life.

It is taking too long for Google to understand what they need to do (to own public space, you must bring all the other public stuff too, like a legal system and proper rights protection and due dilligence).

We should kill the monster, while we still can. Break them up. They'll never learn. They'll keep destroying lifes. Less than 0.1% is acceptable statistical error, right? Just pray you are never the 0.1%.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by curiousllama »

WA wrote: post #64
p410n3 wrote: post #9

This happens again and again. I have had that happen to my twitter account. I see this regulary on HN. My suspicion is that this is mostly happening because platforms that big like google or twitter rely very heavily on machine learning and other AI related technology to ban people. Because honestly, the amount of spam and abuse that are likely happening on these platforms has to be mind boggling high. So I get why t…

Shows the bias in machine learning. One simple parameter isn't added and the whole model is bullshit. One parameter would be: Amount of money this customer has spend on our products. Another would be: Active time since signup. I'm pretty sure if "money spend > 0" is actually a legitimate threshold to remove a lot of spam, although not all. "money spend > 200" might to the trick though.

Forget ML, this is just business process mapping. If it's a payer-customer's account, issues should be sent to a human. Payer-customers should have access to a secondary channel (read: alternate phone number). Payer-customers Google contact(s) should be notified & included in the process.

As a general rule of thumb, if Google is struggling with a problem, it's not a tech problem.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by giancarlostoro »

p410n3 wrote: post #9

This happens again and again. I have had that happen to my twitter account. I see this regulary on HN. My suspicion is that this is mostly happening because platforms that big like google or twitter rely very heavily on machine learning and other AI related technology to ban people. Because honestly, the amount of spam and abuse that are likely happening on these platforms has to be mind boggling high. So I get why t…

Businesses that have this happen to them should call a lawyer and sue. That ought to get a human on the line...

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by falcolas »

zitterbewegung wrote: post #424
ryanbrunner wrote: post #410

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's stopping the next Google from doing the same? Providing poor justification for bans and removal from platforms is by no means limited to the big companies - it's endemic throughout tech - we just hear about Google and Facebook more because they're higher visibility and are considered more essential.

Dropping Google / Facebook is not just signing up with another service. You could self host your own email and just quit Facebook entirely.

> You could self host your own email

You can. I might be able to (there’s a lot of crap around spam filtering and SPF that I’d have to fight with).

My mother, father, sister, cousins, nieces and nephews? Not a chance in hell.

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