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Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by anthony_r »

_qulr wrote: post #285

It's painfully clear at this point that we need a consumer "bill of rights" to protect us from these giant tech companies. At the very least, companies must be legally required to present you in writing with the so-called violation of terms they're accusing you of, evidence of the violation, and a phone # or other immediate contact so that you can dispute the accusations. It's insane that these basic legal rights don…

You're not seeing the other side of the coin - the huge amount of spam and abuse that such systems correctly identify and remove. If every abuser requests those explanations (which they will) there will be far more spam going around the Internet.

Just think about the army of "Facebook content moderators" who were a popular topic on HN recently due to the concerns over their mental health.

(I am offering no solutions here, for I know none)

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by thetanil »

pedrogpimenta wrote: post #11
arnaudsm wrote: post #4

As usual, some Googler browsing HN will reactivate his account, everyone will forget and Google won't change a thing to his unbanning process.

Hopefully, more devs will do what this dev is (said to be) doing. > Consider it burned. #Terraria for @GoogleStadia is canceled. My company will no longer support any of your platforms moving forward. Of course, it's very difficult for small devs to do this. It takes an already solid business to be able to stand up like this. As always, I think this is the only way for Google to change, but I don't think it can happe…

I think it's also probably easy to do this with stadia since it's effectively 0 users. What would he say if steam treated devs like google does?

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by fredgrott »

anthony_r wrote: post #301
_qulr wrote: post #285

It's painfully clear at this point that we need a consumer "bill of rights" to protect us from these giant tech companies. At the very least, companies must be legally required to present you in writing with the so-called violation of terms they're accusing you of, evidence of the violation, and a phone # or other immediate contact so that you can dispute the accusations. It's insane that these basic legal rights don…

You're not seeing the other side of the coin - the huge amount of spam and abuse that such systems correctly identify and remove. If every abuser requests those explanations (which they will) there will be far more spam going around the Internet. Just think about the army of "Facebook content moderators" who were a popular topic on HN recently due to the concerns over their mental health. (I am offering no solutions…

no if the AI can be used to automate the banning it can be used to provide the electronic news email of the rule violated.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by himinlomax »

londons_explore wrote: post #183
arnaudsm wrote: post #4

As usual, some Googler browsing HN will reactivate his account, everyone will forget and Google won't change a thing to his unbanning process.

People at Google really do want to fix this... But it's a minefield of: * Legal stuff (eg. some algorithm detected child porn in his account, is an employee legally allowed to look at it to confirm the algorithm was correct? no.) * Internal Politics (eg. one team has found this account DoSing their service, while the account is perfectly normal in all other ways, but due to Googles systems being so complex a single-s…

> * GDPR/Privacy laws (The law requires the deletion of no-longer needed data. As soon as his account gets banned, the data is no longer needed for Googles business purposes (of providing service to him), so the deletion process can't be delayed.

That's absolutely not how GDPR works.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by _qulr »

anthony_r wrote: post #301
_qulr wrote: post #285

It's painfully clear at this point that we need a consumer "bill of rights" to protect us from these giant tech companies. At the very least, companies must be legally required to present you in writing with the so-called violation of terms they're accusing you of, evidence of the violation, and a phone # or other immediate contact so that you can dispute the accusations. It's insane that these basic legal rights don…

You're not seeing the other side of the coin - the huge amount of spam and abuse that such systems correctly identify and remove. If every abuser requests those explanations (which they will) there will be far more spam going around the Internet. Just think about the army of "Facebook content moderators" who were a popular topic on HN recently due to the concerns over their mental health. (I am offering no solutions…

> If every abuser requests those explanations (which they will)

It's not a request, it's a requirement. If your account is suspended, you deserve an explanation. You should get one without having to request it.

I'm not saying that companies shouldn't be able to suspend accounts temporarily. I'm simply saying that there needs to be a way to get your account unsuspended if you're innocent. The way it "works" now is that innocent consumers are without any recourse whatsoever.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by Semaphor »

Hamuko wrote: post #293
_qulr wrote: post #285

It's painfully clear at this point that we need a consumer "bill of rights" to protect us from these giant tech companies. At the very least, companies must be legally required to present you in writing with the so-called violation of terms they're accusing you of, evidence of the violation, and a phone # or other immediate contact so that you can dispute the accusations. It's insane that these basic legal rights don…

> You could of course sue Google Unless you've waived that right when you agreed to the Terms of Service.

> Unless you've waived that right when you agreed to the Terms of Service.

Which would be meaningless in the EU (I think. Possibly just Germany) as you can’t waive that right.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by Closi »

imagine99 wrote: post #94
josephg wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a good reason to keep using gmail? I've only got good things to say about Fastmail - which is paid, reliable, faster than gmail and private. And they're reinvesting some of their revenue into making better standards for email. I haven't needed to contact support, but I think they have a manned tech support email address too.

There is no other service with feature parity on the UI alone out there. I've searched one for ages and would switch the whole org over in a New York minute if there was an (ideally open-source) "copy" of the Gmail UI available as front-end for one of the other mail servers. Features we can't do without nowadays are tagging; advanced filter and forwarding rules; split inbox with tabs for ads, newsletters, social medi…

I think Office 365 / Exchange / Outlook has all of that for around 2x the cost. Possibly missing automatic email categorisation, but it does sort into 'focussed' and 'general' buckets.

Plus you get an absolutely fantastic desktop app on Windows & Mac.

And for that you also get full Microsoft Office desktop apps included too.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by PixyMisa »

peterkelly wrote: post #116
spicyramen wrote: post #51

Hey Google here is a feature: account reputation, anyone doing business with you, has that flag enabled and human reviewers will be supporting them

China has this for its citizens already

China has rather the reverse.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by RL_Quine »

me_me_me wrote: post #265
RL_Quine wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was pretty taken aback by that, they go way further than disappointing about not having the game on their platform of choice, to just outright yelling at the developer for somehow this being their fault?

Most of those people are children, or adult-children. Anyone else just doesn't care. I think this is just a case of very vocal minority. Who reasonable is exited about Stadia anyways? I don't think it will last till next year without being slashed by google.

Definitely need to make a betting site based on the death date of google products.

I wager 18 months.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by dandare »

Tom4hawk wrote: post #254
dandare wrote: post #173

I am not fan of regulation, but apparently not every abuse of the market can be solved by courts in a practical way. Like in this case, a mere mortal can not possibly sue Google. I can imagine the EU will step in soon. There are multiple different aspects of being locked out of a "free" service provider like Google: - Losing your email addresses - even if it was provided for free, will cause an immense harm. Email ad…

How do you want to transfer your apps from Google Store? Is there any other service with those apps?

Not away from Google Store, just under a different account. But you are right, I did not think it through.
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