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Re: Don't Offer a Free Plan

#181
A free plan is OK as long as you understand that it's just a way of doing marketing. As with any marketing effort, you should keep the costs under control.

As with any marketing, it's easy to get it wrong. "Don't offer a free plan" is a good advice if there is a problem understanding the balance between revenue generation and expenses or there is a better way of doing marketing, but it's hardly a universal recommendation.

Free plans usually a good idea for a starting business when you look for approval from your target audience and stabilize the product. As companies grow, confirm product/market fit, polish the product, and discover more efficient ways of doing marketing, it's perfectly OK to discontinue the free plan.

Re: Don't Offer a Free Plan

#182
We have a free plan on our B2B SaaS. We don't experience the issue of entitled free users clogging up our support pipeline at all (despite having tens of thousands of users, 3/4ths of which are free). Maybe we've just been lucky enough to iron out most of the UX kinks enough that most users just won't need help?

The real downside to a free plan as I see it is that you're effectively building two products - first a free one that needs to be good enough to get attention in the marketplace, and then a paid one that needs to be sufficiently much better to justify upgrading. That takes a while when you're bootstrapping, and you might not have the runway to execute all that. But the upside is that our free plan is a massive part of our marketing strategy, it's scalable and it's "pay once" (server costs are negligible for us, so it mainly cost us in development time). Our product is B2B, so isn't suited for a Dropbox/Airbnb-style referral system, but the app marketplaces that we integrate with (G Suite and Slack) grant visibility based on active users (and on G Suite also positive reviews), which we have 4 times more of than we would without the free users. It's much, much better for us that someone uses our free tier, than that they use a competitor. Used this way, a free plan is effectively a way to turn engineering/product dev hours into marketing - that might not be a good tradeoff for everyone, but it's been great for us.

Re: Don't Offer a Free Plan

#183
What an odd article/website. While deciding against offering a free plan is a (reasonable) choice that is made by many SaaS products, it's obviously not a blanket thing everyone needs to follow. Free plans in SaaS products are to get people to evaluate/for marketing data and to hopefully ultimately lead free users to one of the paid plans (or drive some other revenue source, e.g. advertising). I think this is quite well known by now? Perhaps the author needs to capitalise more on what their business gets out of the free plan (e.g. marketing data), and work on converting that into to more paying customers.

The DO $5 vs $500 comparison is odd as well. Maybe you would be able to spend less support time per customer. But what DO offers is pretty much a commodity by now. If DO no longer offered anything under $500/month... well, it's not that hard to figure out what would happen.

The article goes on discuss alternatives, but while these solve some free-plan problems, these have other problems:

- trial periods means you will probably put people off sign up, because they are waiting for a 30 day period where they think they will have enough time to try it out

- free for FOSS/education/charity means you have to spend time deciding and justify who gets it and who doesn't

- lifetime try-out plan eliminates recurring revenue, which is kind of a big thing for SaaS products...

And then to top it off, at the bottom there is a link to the author's "Friendly Captcha" project, which alongside more paid plans with more features and limits, has... a free plan!

Re: Don't Offer a Free Plan

#184
post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you feel about a free-forever plan behind a credit card screen? Google Cloud is this way: stay below their free usage limits for some services and you'll never need to pay; but you need to give them your card up-front because it's a post-paid service and they need to ensure they can charge you if-and-when you do go over those limits. Or, for another approach: how about a plan that's free, but where there's a s…

What's your use case for the "one time fee"? Is this a barrier to prevent bad actors? I can easily see use cases where someone without buying power can get a 50, maybe even 100 USD bond or 'license' of some sort PROVIDED that there's either only one or even more ideally a set of competitors who's "not a bad actor" licenses are interoperable; and work on the whole Internet for that task (without expiring until bad kar…

I treat 'free but remember to cancel' plans as scams.

About 10 months ago I got emails from a company that developed an development environment that was I was mildly interested in. They presented an offer with said it was free so that people could help educate themselves during lockdown. Unfortunately the terms was after 1 year you needed to pay something like $1500 if you didn't cancel, these terms were right at the bottom of the page and very hard to spot. Paid through PayPal and the about $1500 was there right in front of me. I cancelled it on the same day.

A company offering that sort of deal waiting for people not to cancel and saying it is to help people during the lockdowns is just awful.

Re: Don't Offer a Free Plan

#185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds like a case of a free plan makes sense when the target for the free plan is someone without purchasing authority looking for leverage. > Would you rather have 10 users that pay $100 monthly, or 1,000 users that pay $1? I think this question is meant as an illustration but perhaps it hints at a rule of thumb. Let me substitute a different question and see what you think: Do you want 1000 users paying $500…

> This sounds like a case of a free plan makes sense when the target for the free plan is someone without purchasing authority looking for leverage. Well, that. Or somebody with leverage trying to reduce risks before jumping into a platform. Or somebody evaluating the options before deciding. Or somebody just making something the quickest way possible, leaving slow decisions for later... There are many cases that fit…

> Or somebody evaluating the options before deciding. Or somebody just making something the quickest way possible, leaving slow decisions for later...

This is exactly it. I've been both with and without purchasing authority.

WITH purchasing authority, at many organizations, I still need paperwork and approvals. To give an extreme example, try working for an EU government agency....

My patterns definitely fit the ones described. 95% of the time, I create an account, and nothing comes of it:

* I try five tools, and pick one.

* I try five tools, and pick zero.

* I do a weekend hackathon, and there is no business case

* I do a weekend hackathon, there is a business case, but yours isn't the right product

... etc.

But 5% of the time, there's a conversion, and with big orgs, quite often a big $$$ conversion. Those 95% cost you nearly nothing, or act as discovery (I rarely make a support call, but if I do make one, it's valuable to you).

As a footnote, in many industries, you give actual, physical products which cost $$$ for free (e.g. an IC) for this reason. Some of these do put up gateways to make sure I'm from a place which might go from 1 sample to buying 10,000 (or an ed institution). I don't think those are a good fit, but I do think it's possible (and not too difficult) to screen out abuse in most cases.

Re: Don't Offer a Free Plan

#186
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The article is missing out a huge argument in favour of free plans: the opportunity to generate data. This doesn’t even need to be done in a shady manner - imagine analysing what users usually type in free form boxes, normalise that and build a tag hierarchy, for example. There’s a billion way to make a free plan useful - it’s not just a curtesy to your users!

Have you (or anyone else here) done that and succeeded at it? I can see why one would assume it could somehow be useful, but in the absence of someone accomplishing it I’m skeptical.

I'm actually doing that currently. We have a large database of company records compiled from different sources. Naturally, some of those records are duplicates. We have cleaned the data as much as it was possible using algorithmic approaches, but that only gets you so far. To go the last mile, we added widgets to the pages showing similar records where users may click "same company" or "other company". Poll results are aggregated and values above a certain threshold create an entry in a verification queue for our staff to look at. This works out surprisingly well for now.

Re: Don't Offer a Free Plan

#187
post #11

The article is missing out a huge argument in favour of free plans: the opportunity to generate data. This doesn’t even need to be done in a shady manner - imagine analysing what users usually type in free form boxes, normalise that and build a tag hierarchy, for example. There’s a billion way to make a free plan useful - it’s not just a curtesy to your users!

Nah. I had a million installs of a web widget and was drowning in data doing over a billion impressions a month and we had to pivot or starve to death. Nice idea but not true in my experience unless you already have customers lined up and are intentional about what you launch in order to generate the specific data they are hungry for.

Fair point, although I wasn't referring to simply hoarding every data point you can get but specifically _using_ free users to improve your data set. Obviously this isn't a viable option for everyone.

Take a look at Google for a great example of this: Their "local guide" feature on Google Maps is using gamification to improve location data by convincing users to work for free; or Recaptcha using user input to train their machine learning models.

Re: Don't Offer a Free Plan

#188

Anecdata: Trello and Jira both have free plans that I used that caused me to recommend them for paid usage at multiple companies I’ve worked with. Those free plans resulted in $xx-$xxxx monthly subscriptions. Asana has a paid plan with a 5-user minimum limit. I never bothered to even try it since I wouldn’t have the extended time to play with it. As a result it never even got mentioned to companies I’ve worked with.…

Hi, author of the page here. I didn't expect this to end up so high on HN. You're right that there is a place for free plans, the article I wrote is probably too one-sided. I planned on adding an extra section near the end for some cases when a free plan does make sense (I will wait until it is no longer discussed here). Other than the "influencer" angle you mentioned, it also makes sense for products where you can o…

On a different note, why does your website look so refreshing (for lack of a better word)?! Beautiful design (non-design?).

Re: Don't Offer a Free Plan

#189
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> give you my bank account or driver's license info as part of a "free" or "trial" plan. Re: bank accounts, nobody was suggesting that, that's not how KYC systems work. Re: driver's license info, that's not quite how (well-implemented, modern) KYC flows work, either. For "signing up using your bank", I wasn't talking about giving the service a photo of a void cheque or anything; I was talking about doing Single Sign-…

I'm not familiar enough with SSO flows to be able to quantify any kind of risk, but it makes me very uneasy when things interconnect with my bank. Everything always seems secure until it isn't. I don't mean to spread FUD, it just seems needlessly risky to make banks the central point of auth.

It really isn't/ shouldn't be.

In theory, the bank is really incentivized to provide proper and secure authentication (if someone can impersonate you to your bank, you're kinda screwed anyway). So, it only makes sense to trust a bank to provide the authentication service. One should realize that SSO integration with a bank doesn't mean 3rd party has any sort of access to the bank - it' just means that you authorize your bank to tell a 3rd party "yes, I believe this is really curryst"). Doesn't increase the attack surface for you - it only increases the "blast radius" if someone successfully compromises your bank account. But that one is typically already a dire situation.

Re: Don't Offer a Free Plan

#190
Doesn’t this fly in the face of what drug peddlers have always done? The first hit is free because you’ll get hooked and then your LTV will rise. Same with software: let me try it in as seamless a way as possible and if it improves my life enough I’ll evangelize it for you internally. Paying up front kills adoption, no?
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