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Re: Google, Apple cave to Pakistan pressure to take down apps by Ahmadiyya Muslims

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You are both breaking the HN guidelines egregiously. Religious and nationalistic flamewar is not welcome here, neither are personal swipes, and we don't want tedious tit-for-tat spats.

Please don't do anything like this on HN again, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are.

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You are both breaking the HN guidelines egregiously. Religious and nationalistic flamewar is not welcome here, neither are personal swipes, and we don't want tedious tit-for-tat spats. Please don't do anything like this on HN again, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Noted. I apologize. I will remove the personal remarks.

Re: Google, Apple cave to Pakistan pressure to take down apps by Ahmadiyya Muslims

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Pakistan's attitude towards Ahmadiyya is trash. It's ridiculous to me as a Pakistani that a country born to counter the persecution of minorities should so blatantly persecute them itself. I genuinely cannot process the hypocrisy.

The Ahmadiyya movement is seen also as a cult. As someone who resisted the idea of discrimination for some random accusatory beliefs, I later realized the group does not reciprocate non discrimination but discriminates even harder. Some of this can be understood. Because intra support is a characteristic along minorities. But the level is not just support but also active hate and cult like behavior.

People say the same about Muslims in general in the west and we get pretty outraged. Why don't we get outraged when Muslims do the same to their minorities?

Re: Google, Apple cave to Pakistan pressure to take down apps by Ahmadiyya Muslims

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Perhaps is more companies refused to do business in a country due to diabolical laws, people would start voting against politicians that create diabolical laws.

So it's up to Google and other international companies to decide which laws are diabolical, which laws are bad and which can be tolerable? Why not going all the way down and let those companies write beautiful laws and also enforce them, everywhere in the world?

I think if a law goes against your company values, such as egrariously stomping on human rights, you should have a principle and a backbone and not sacrifice those value to make money.

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You are both breaking the HN guidelines egregiously. Religious and nationalistic flamewar is not welcome here, neither are personal swipes, and we don't want tedious tit-for-tat spats. Please don't do anything like this on HN again, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I was discussing how secularism is defined in the indian constitution, and how it functions with respect to the related laws guaranteeing minority rights. It doesn't have anything to do with "nationalism" but was a reply to another post (by a french?) in the hopes of discussing how secularism works in India and other democratic countries.

But it was hijacked and derailed. As I have pointed out to you before, it's a tactic of the right-wing online to deliberately generate controversies on ideas they don't like and then abuse the reporting tools to get it removed if they can't browbeat the original poster.

I mention this not to pick an argument with the mods here but to make you recognize this pattern.

Re: Google, Apple cave to Pakistan pressure to take down apps by Ahmadiyya Muslims

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You are both breaking the HN guidelines egregiously. Religious and nationalistic flamewar is not welcome here, neither are personal swipes, and we don't want tedious tit-for-tat spats. Please don't do anything like this on HN again, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I was discussing how secularism is defined in the indian constitution, and how it functions with respect to the related laws guaranteeing minority rights. It doesn't have anything to do with "nationalism" but was a reply to another post (by a french?) in the hopes of discussing how secularism works in India and other democratic countries. But it was hijacked and derailed. As I have pointed out to you before, it's a t…

You were part of the hijacking and derailing. Please stop perpetuating flamewars on HN, no matter how right you are or feel you are. It's not what this site is for.

If other comments are egregious, flag them and/or let us know at hn@ycombinator.com and we'll take a look.

Re: Google, Apple cave to Pakistan pressure to take down apps by Ahmadiyya Muslims

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It's not an attempt to provoke. I'm not sure why you think that. But you bring up a great point again. Define religion? I take it Satanism is a religion to you yes?

>I'm not sure why you think that. Because this started with your objection to me saying religious persecution is wrong, and within three posts you had called Jesus gay and Muhammad a pedophile just to see what kind of reaction I gave. If you disagree, explain what you're hoping to get out of this interaction.

What if a person sincerely believes Jesus was gay, and that Muhamad was a pedophile? Were do you draw the line at sincerely held religious beliefs and what you think is not a sincere religious belief?

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>I'm not sure why you think that. Because this started with your objection to me saying religious persecution is wrong, and within three posts you had called Jesus gay and Muhammad a pedophile just to see what kind of reaction I gave. If you disagree, explain what you're hoping to get out of this interaction.

What if a person sincerely believes Jesus was gay, and that Muhamad was a pedophile? Were do you draw the line at sincerely held religious beliefs and what you think is not a sincere religious belief?

Why do you care so much about what other people believe? It's like you are trying to justify religious persecution.

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They can't ban a windows pc software like this as it's not walled garden. When phones come with app store, they must be responsible.

They can block the hosting servers, domains, etc. They can also block you from searching the name of the app, etc. There are multiple tools of censorship that are available to governments. Banning the app is the easiest.

Here we are talking about blocking by google and apple, not whether url can be blocked.

Re: Google, Apple cave to Pakistan pressure to take down apps by Ahmadiyya Muslims

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The list of countries in that article also includes Belarus, Belgium and Bulgaria, where the common factor seems to have been Islamophobia instead.

That's an issue affects all muslims in those countries and many non-muslims who may appear that way. Islam does have a huge internal debate over which branch is correct that has never been settled. To not accept this group of people is unique in Islamic countries because they have been using this as a weapon against minorities by creating separate laws. By extending to other muslims this is more about trying to make…

Conversely, falsely accusing a Muslim of being an apostate is itself considered as grave a sin as apostasy itself. Sadly, that has not proven a deterrent for the Wahhabi takfiris, bankrolled by the oil wealth of the Saudi state.

Excommunication and intolerance is not at all exclusive to Islam, as the blood-drenched history of the Wars of Religion in Europe demonstrates.

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