When AirBnB posts a billion dollars in revenue, then it will be a "Billion Dollar Company."
How AirBnB Became a Billion Dollar Company
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#92For the record, I don't think this is that bad of a thing. If all of this is actually true (I'm not 100% sure it is), then it's certainly not on the level "actual spammers" perform at. Spam is basically unwanted and harmful advertising, and nobody complains when someone gets e-mailed an actual useful relevant thing out of nowhere. If the thing you're being e-mailed is more relevant than the ads GMail is showing you t…
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#93Groupon: "we've already seen businesses complaining that the Groupons didn't make them money, or that Groupon sales people suggested they raise their prices substantially just before the Groupon 'discount'." http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/05/why-does...
Zynga: "I Did Every Horrible Thing In The Book Just To Get Revenues" http://techcrunch.com/2009/11/06/zynga-scamville-mark-pinkus...
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#95"It is a literal gold mine for black hats that learn how to exploit its millions of users and curtail its terms of service." Either he doesn't know what "literal" means or I need to get a pickaxe and head on over to Craigslist.
Modern English speakers really need to sort out their usage of 2 words: literally and physically. I think we need a movement against improper use of these such as "do I have to physically login and chage the details" rather than manually, and this "literal gold mine" which is clearly metaphorical. What can we call it? How can we stem the tides before the dystopian precitions of Idiocracy become a reality?!?
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am not being facetious by this question, but did you make a product that you are selling ? If so, how did you get your first set of customers ? Please share. If you have not made a product that you need to sell yet, I think you will find when you do it, it's MUCH, MUCH more difficult than you ever thought it would be. Also, selling a service - i.e. web development/design is very different than selling a product.
This is a FAQ: for your first sale, you sacrifice the price (all the way down to free if you have to). For the next sales, you show your reference customer.
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#97AirBnB is not a "Billion Dollar Company." Investment is not revenue or profit. The revenue numbers I heard are in the 5-10 million range. When AirBnB posts a billion dollars in revenue, then it will be a "Billion Dollar Company."
The value of X, for any X at all, is what someone else is willing to pay for it. That is how markets work. Any kind of market. And it works for everything from pricing apples to pieces of art to companies.
If people are willing to pay $1 billion for your company, it is a billion dollar company. If nobody is willing to pay you a dime for it, it is worth nothing. Your revenue is an input factor into what people are willing to pay, but doesn't determine the price.
If you study financial theory, the theoretically correct price for a company is the "expected present value of future revenue". Meaning that if you look at all future revenue that it should ever make, divide that revenue by a discount factor for the fact that a dollar tomorrow is not worth a dollar today (and further discounts for risk), that number should be the present value of the company.
So a company with little revenue and good growth prospects may be worth much more than a company with great revenue which is going off of a cliff. It is worth this both in practice and in theory. And anyone who says otherwise simply doesn't understand how to value companies.
Note that in practice, in illiquid markets (which stock in privately held companies always is) the variance of market value from the theoretical relationship becomes wider. We still price companies based on what someone, somewhere, was willing to invest in it. We do that because someone educated people, who is paid to get this right, with possession of more facts than we probably are, decided that this was a reasonable price after doing research. They may be wrong, but the last price paid is the best market indicator of the value of the company.
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
Illegal how? I get the ToS violation, but not sure about legality ... Are you saying it's a violation of the CAN-SPAM act? Or something else?
CAN-SPAM, sending from a fake address (illegal headers). CA has a specific law that pre-empts CAN-SPAM that definitely makes this illegal if sent from CA (don't ask how I know).
You might consider AirBnB's actions unethical, but they certainly aren't illegal - which would be obvious to anyone who bothered reading the CAN-SPAM wikipedia page. It's not illegal to violate Craigslist's TOS, and AFAICT the "spam" messages were sent from a legitimate Gmail account.
For those of you claiming "I'd rather be poor than violate craigslist's terms of service": Bullshit.
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
Illegal how? I get the ToS violation, but not sure about legality ... Are you saying it's a violation of the CAN-SPAM act? Or something else?
CAN-SPAM, sending from a fake address (illegal headers). CA has a specific law that pre-empts CAN-SPAM that definitely makes this illegal if sent from CA (don't ask how I know).
A state law cannot pre-empt a federal law; when a federal law and a state law are in conflict, the federal law takes precedence over the state law. (U.S. Constitution, Article VI, Clause 2.) Notably, the CAN-SPAM Act expressly pre-empts any state law that "expressly regulates the use of electronic mail to send commercial messages, except to the extent that any such statute, regulation, or rule prohibits falsity or deception in any portion of a commercial electronic mail message or information attached thereto" (15 USC 7707). (So, a CA law against fraudulent email would survive pre-emption by CAN-SPAM, but a CA law against simple bulk spamming would be pre-empted by the federal law.)
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#100Is this 'grey' ? In the sense that it can be interpreted as 'shady' ? Hell yes. But is it "wrong" ? I don't think so. I always thought that getting that first set of customers that will take you to product/market fit was going to be easy. What with the Twitterverse, Facebook and all and sundry. But let me tell you, from experience, it is DAMN HARD! I guess the true test of whether or not this is 'unethical' is whethe…