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Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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Post by brokenmachine »

Veen wrote: post #433
danieldisu wrote: post #387

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It's amazing that bureaucrats fined Microsoft for putting IE as default and keep allowing apple to do what they want. Europe should force these companies to allow users to install any software they want in their devices as long as it is legal...

> It's amazing that bureaucrats fined Microsoft for putting IE as default and keep allowing apple to do what they want. The difference is that Microsoft attempted to use its operating system monopoly to win the browser wars. Bundling Internet Explorer with Windows made it difficult for other browsers to compete on an even playing field. Apple doesn't have an operating system monopoly on the desktop or mobile. MacOS a…

>MacOS and iOS have a smaller userbase than both of their main competitors. It doesn't have an app store monopoly either.

I don't have an iphone, but don't you have to jailbreak it to install any software not blessed by Apple? That sounds like a monopoly to me.

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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Post by XorNot »

waheoo wrote: post #853
XorNot wrote: post #681

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I'm not seeing a meaningful objection to Google doing what it wants with moderation of its own platform though. "Do what you want" in the free market is exactly this behavior.

It's own platform? They're monopolies. They are the market. There is nothing free about a moderated market. Robin hood investors disliked a move by management and voted with their feet to place one star reviews. Google removed them all. You can but ma private companies if you want but you're only pointing out how monopolistic these platforms are. Good luck with antitrust Google. You gonna get fucked over a barrel. Pe…

Google is not a monopoly in the App Store market, but even if it were - how are you going to stop it? Google's property is it's property - it is entitled to do as it pleases. At what point in libertarian ideology is the government supposed to step in? And when it does: and do what? (while still being plausibly a libertarian movement).

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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Post by imhoguy »

suizi wrote: post #953
brmgb wrote: post #523

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> I guess at some point Google will close the F-Droid loophole in Android and only allow installations through the Playstore anymore. Google standing in Europe is already really shaky. They keep taking fines after fines for abuse of their dominant position. That won't last forever. If they close the ability for other stores to exist, the best case scenario is the EU giving them a huge fine and forcing them to go back…

Does Europe have the power to split Google? Or does that lie with U.S. regulators?

Google is already split in EU, there are subsidiaries in various countries. Although parent company is in US. EU has no power to split US company, but can apply fines to localy registers subsidiaries when laws are breached.

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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Post by cbradford »

eeZah7Ux wrote: post #954
cbradford wrote: post #792

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Once you throw in "hate speech" you are just saying that censorship of things you don't like is ok.

You are saying that hate speech is completely arbitrary - despite being codified in the legal system of hundreds of countries. That says a lot...

In the United States there is not such thing as "hate speech". That is settled law.

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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Post by cbradford »

ezrast wrote: post #866
ezrast wrote: post #805

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Censorship of things I don't like is okay when performed at the level of an actual community that nobody is forced to be a member of.

I realized this comment carries more pith than meaning, as it were, and thought I'd expound. Communities censor in benign ways all the time. Most successful online forums regularly remove posts that are spam, self-promoting, or flamebait. They also remove contributions that are off-topic: completely harmless posts that just don't happen to be what the community wants to focus on. Celebrity gossip on a tech site, say.…

I agree. There was a case that I cannot remember about a company town that banned people from handing out religious material in the town square, but the Supreme Court (I believe) decided that since the company was effectively taking the place of the government it had to abide by the same rules.

If we continue to go down this path then soon enough we will be taking away the phone and mail service of whatever group of people are out of power.

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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Post by cxr »

xorcist wrote: post #908
cxr wrote: post #743

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Well, I disagree with your disagreement. Part of the value of F-Droid is that the main repository can host packages that are vetted and maintained by uninvolved parties. Second, if the Matrix-run repository does reproducible builds, then... there's no problem. (That's the nature of reproducible builds.) Third, F-Droid was conceived to be distributed and decentralized. That's why it allows you to add other sources in…

If they provide reproducible builds there's also no need for a separate repository.

Can you explain your reasoning?

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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Post by buisi »

heatedsubject wrote: post #973
idclip wrote: post #891

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Sounds like CP ... cp is a real issue when it comes to crypto.

CP is a very touchy subject. But if we really wanted to solve the problem we shouldn't focus on someone accidentally seeing (and thus caching) CP on their device. CP should be removed at the source, by doing everything we can to take care of kids and preventing abuse and related photography. And CP trading rings should be busted. But individual pedophiles should be helped with their mental health issues before they a…

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/01/can-child... https://www.researchgate.net/publication/299657027_Non-Offen... According to Dr. James Cantor (a world leading pedophilia expert), and The Atlantic here, child sex dolls may be able to serve as an outlet to prevent pedophiles from acting out on their desires.

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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Post by boring_twenties »

canofbars wrote: post #321
boring_twenties wrote: post #7

Thank goodness for F-droid.

Until you find out that the app isn't able to use the google notification service so it puts a persistent notification in your bar and uses more battery.

I was able to easily hide my persistent notification, and still get the actual notifications for messages.

I understand it should use more battery, but my phones still last multiple days even with F-Droid versions of Element and Telegram running 24/7.

One real annoyance is that after upgrading the apps, I need to start them again manually. Otherwise I won't receive any notifications until I do. IIRC with the Google Play versions, the push notifications will arrive and cause the app to start.

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