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Program teaches prisoners coding so they can land tech jobs once released

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Re: Program teaches prisoners coding so they can land tech jobs once released

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> The Last Mile’s program is defying the country’s 83 percent recidivism rate. In its 10 years existence, there has been zero recidivism amongst it’s nearly 100 graduates, graduates that include Jason Jones. Those numbers tell you everything you need to know. They're not "solving mass incarceration" any time soon.

>the country’s 83 percent recidivism rate Holy shizz, that's a lot. It's as if US laws and prisons aren't there to rehabilitate an individual but to turn him against society for good, making him a returning "customer" so that certain interest groups can keep profiting. But that's just probably my imagination running wild.

> >the country’s 83 percent recidivism rate

> Holy shizz, that's a lot.

As far as I can tell that’s the rearrest rate, and possibly only the rearrest rate for state offenders, which is higher than for federal (it doesn't exactly match any of the sources I've found, but that's what it seems closest to.)

Reconviction (including determination of a parole violation) rates are much lower (somewhere between 50-60% im various sources.

And both are heavily tied to other demographic, offense type, and criminal history factors that I'm going to guess are also very influential in selection for the program, so the the expected recidivism rate for those entering the program—whether measured by rearrest, reconviction, or any other standard—would probably be much lower than the overall criminal population.

> It's as if US laws and prisons aren't there to rehabilitate an individual but to turn him against society for good,

To the extent something like that is a factor, it's almost backwards: US criminal laws are very disproportionately used against people that society has turned against for reasons other than criminality. Now, it's true that the criminal “justice” system isn't rehabilitative, but it's targets not being turned against society further by it wouldn't protect them from being retargeted.

Re: Program teaches prisoners coding so they can land tech jobs once released

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> There are plenty of people who have committed no crime, but go hungry. Where is their free lunch? Yes, nobody should go hungry. Not in prison, not out of prison, nowhere.

Okay, thats nice. Do you think anyone here on HN is in favour of people going hungry? And by a free lunch, I meant the idiomatic expression.

It sure seems like some people on this page are very much in favor of people who've committed crimes going hungry, even after they serve their sentences.

Idiomatically, I'm also in favor of every person, inside or outside of prison, getting the education they need in a trade that suits them.

Our society would benefit enormously, far beyond the cost of providing the education. So again, free lunches for all! Literally and metaphorically!

Re: Program teaches prisoners coding so they can land tech jobs once released

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Your first guess is borne out by the recidivism rate, which is in the high-80s nationwisde.

If a group with a prior criminal behavior rate of near 100% has that rate reduced to 87%, is that evidence that prison is fucking them up even more? (I think prison probably is fucking people up more, but a mere citation of high recidivism rate isn’t evidence of that to me, given the prior.)

Given that some percentage of people in jail or prison are there for the crime of possessing drugs, something which college students seem to do regularly without consequences, I'm not really surprised that those people don't re-offend.

One way to see whether 87% is high or low might be to compare it to the rate in other countries. We seems to be near the top of that list, but not alone there.

Jail or prison itself may or may not drive people toward more crime, but the difficult in finding housing or a job with a criminal record certainly does a lot to kill hope.

Re: Program teaches prisoners coding so they can land tech jobs once released

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Well how much were you all paying?

What does it have to do with the quality of the candidates? Salaries are often not discussed before the end of the process, especially for junior roles where applicants can rarely force the hiring manager/recruiter to disclose a budget.

Even entry-level candidates have some idea of what jobs pay.

Some recruiters are more circumspect, but a lot of them will give a salary range if you ask.

That information can also be found on places like Glassdoor or by talking to acquaintances about the offers they got or getting second-hand accounts of offers that people got. That information can be pretty inaccurate, but people still make decisions based on it.

Re: Program teaches prisoners coding so they can land tech jobs once released

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I enjoy watching movies as much as anyone, but that doesn't transfer into enjoying people being hurt/punished in real life. I'm happy to leave my darker impulses behind when exiting the theater.

You can't leave them behind and I'm sure you've wanted someone punished for some misdeeds they've committed. This isn't a bad thing and is an overwhelmingly natural response.

I know it's a natural response. But it's uncivilized.

Re: Program teaches prisoners coding so they can land tech jobs once released

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I’m a felon with a computer science degree from a well known university ( not MIT level ). I have 8 years of progressive industry experience. Granted I didn’t get the felony until I already was working for many years, and it’s a felony DWI, and I’ve never been to jail

Re: Program teaches prisoners coding so they can land tech jobs once released

#177

This is nice and all, but why is everyone focused on "coding" trade schools? Can you really learn enough to make $200k a year in a "boot camp" style coding school? If so, why not doctors and lawyers too? So, i'm not a big supporter of these things because I think it trivializes the amount of effort it actually takes to be a useful team member. The people I work with are doing the logical equivalent of rebuilding the…

It’s a good experiment then. Either you’re wrong and these programs will be a success. Or, you’re right and these programs will fail. I think the latter will happen

Re: Program teaches prisoners coding so they can land tech jobs once released

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In my experience hiring for jr webdev and full stack roles, about 1 in 5 people could pass fizzbuzz (even when the mathematical algorithm was explained in writing). About 1 in 100 completed the basic web app demo (untimed, take home, expected to take between 30 minutes and 2 hours, in any language, with a test suite included as a shell script). I often hired the first person even remotely qualified with the intent on…

Well how much were you all paying?

Around $115k to $125k, which was about market for non-finance.

Re: Program teaches prisoners coding so they can land tech jobs once released

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Great initiative! Hopefully employers will not overlook these candidates because of their criminal record.

I guess if they are significantly cheaper than others, people will hire them. There is a long way to $0 from the salaries people on HN say developers make in the US. I do not know any convicted people, however, I do know jobless people who were 'made redundant' by covid or before that and they would work for very little (enough to get by, but not more than that) if they could work from home as developer. I bet that g…

Multiple felon software dev here. I make $250k in Minneapolis.

Re: Program teaches prisoners coding so they can land tech jobs once released

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They don't have to be fraudulent. It's easier to fill with an H1B candidate with experience than with a fresh engineer with a recent degree.

A lot (and I mean 90%+) of H1Bs are outright lying about their experience in the tech field. At least from my short time doing hiring for a position in Texas. I eventually went to our management and got them to stop listening to recruiting body shops and hire someone local.

putting badly generalized data out with confidence. start people more (100k+)and see good h1b candidates. talent follows money.
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