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Re: Program teaches prisoners coding so they can land tech jobs once released

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> Is that "typical" or "top 10 highest-paying" company? Many, many more than "top 10 highest-paying." But yes, generally for six figure entry level roles.

Don't all entry level software engineering roles in the Bay Area pay six figures these days?

We’re not even in the Bay Area and pay (just barely) 6-figures to fresh college grads.

Re: Program teaches prisoners coding so they can land tech jobs once released

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> It's hard to improve the situation without people screaming about how you're CODDLING MURDERERS! Who? Twitter idiots? If you're going to take the weakest of strawman arguments for the opposing side, you're not going to get very far in your thinking. There are plenty of ideas that aren't politically risky that don't get implemented, that would positively affect criminals and non-criminals alike - what's your explana…

It's more like no politician wants to be seen as "soft on crime," and this carries over to "soft on criminals." Doing anything to help people in prison once they get out is politically risky in a lot of places. Just look at the number of states where it's still legal to ask if someone has a criminal record on a job application. This not wanting to be "soft on crime" is particularly pathological in jurisdictions where…

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Re: Program teaches prisoners coding so they can land tech jobs once released

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> What makes you think retribution is the principal component of justice? That seems very wrong to me. It seems right to me. In my opinion, justice comes from the concept of reciprocity. In other words, if someone does bad, it is just that bad is done to them (retribution). The reverse is also true: it is just that good things occur to people who do good deeds. > Justice is a deep concept - https://plato.stanford.edu…

The idea of prisons should be to simply keep people away from society so they cannot harm others. There's no need to heap punishment on top of that. That's medieval and doesn't belong in modern civilization.

> That's medieval and doesn't belong in modern civilization.

The concept of retribution as justice goes far back beyond medieval, to at least the Bronze Age (see Hammurabi).

In addition, it seems a common component across cultures. The utilitarian view is by no means nearly as universal.

Here is a modern example: every few years you hear about some former Nazi Concentration Camp guard that was arrested. From a utilitarian point of view it is completely useless. The old guard is never ever going to take part in anything like that again. However, from a justice as retribution for misdeeds, it make perfect sense.

Re: Program teaches prisoners coding so they can land tech jobs once released

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Great initiative! Hopefully employers will not overlook these candidates because of their criminal record.

I guess if they are significantly cheaper than others, people will hire them. There is a long way to $0 from the salaries people on HN say developers make in the US. I do not know any convicted people, however, I do know jobless people who were 'made redundant' by covid or before that and they would work for very little (enough to get by, but not more than that) if they could work from home as developer. I bet that g…

That would include me. I am not a convict, but I am unemployed. My many years of professional development experience is all in embedded and other hardware control software that generally needs to be done onsite. At this point I would be glad to do any remote work, regardless of pay.

Re: Program teaches prisoners coding so they can land tech jobs once released

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Tangential question - is the ability to "code", i.e. develop software, an innate talent or can anyone learn to do it well enough with sufficient training and self-motivated work? Will there be a percentage of incarcerated, or bootcamp students for that matter, that just won't get it?

Re: Program teaches prisoners coding so they can land tech jobs once released

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post #126

Tangential question - is the ability to "code", i.e. develop software, an innate talent or can anyone learn to do it well enough with sufficient training and self-motivated work? Will there be a percentage of incarcerated, or bootcamp students for that matter, that just won't get it?

My personal opinion based on experience, it's similar with driving but harder. If you want to learn, anyone will eventually able to achieve "average" / "good" level. But only a portion with aligned interest, dedication and passion can breakthrough to expert / master level.

And for those who haven't had any interest on those topics and don't want to try won't be able to.

Re: Program teaches prisoners coding so they can land tech jobs once released

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post #126

Tangential question - is the ability to "code", i.e. develop software, an innate talent or can anyone learn to do it well enough with sufficient training and self-motivated work? Will there be a percentage of incarcerated, or bootcamp students for that matter, that just won't get it?

It's like playing basketball or playing golf.

Almost anyone can learn to do it and to enjoy it. But to be really good takes years of effort and probably some natural talent as well.

Re: Program teaches prisoners coding so they can land tech jobs once released

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Don't all entry level software engineering roles in the Bay Area pay six figures these days?

We’re not even in the Bay Area and pay (just barely) 6-figures to fresh college grads.

Guessing they're decent candidates from decent CS programs?
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