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Re: Resignation

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Post by Simulacra »

dfabulich wrote: post #30
hilbertseries wrote: post #5

> And, of course, in 2018 I helped create and produce the most ambitious project I’ve ever worked on: Caliphate. > While I remain proud of our team and what we were able to accomplish with Caliphate, getting any aspect of any story wrong, by any degree, is a journalist’s worst nightmare. After Caliphate was corrected, in print and in audio, peers of mine in the audio industry, from outside of The Times, began to rais…

Indeed. Those who would like to know more may want to read the NYT's own repudiation of Caliphate. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/18/business/media/new-york-t... This Vulture article is a good overall summary of the timeline, which I would absolutely call a "scandal." https://www.vulture.com/2021/01/caliphate-controversy-new-yo... Those who are replying here to decry "cancel culture" are falling for his story. This…

The Vulture piece reads like the Columbia University review of the Rolling Stone rape hoax.

Re: Resignation

#62

Post by atdrummond »

gabereiser wrote: post #46
ng12 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People learn from mistakes when there are consequences Oh please. If cancel culture were about learning from your mistakes we wouldn't haunt people for things they did decades ago.

Kevin Spacey comes to mind. There is a thing called statute of limitations for things. Kevin Spacey probably shouldn't have sexually assaulted boys. Because the internet archives everything, no one looks at the date and think how long ago was this?

Unfortunately, he was acting that way well into the 2010s; I had a number of friends in the London theatre scene and it was well known that a certain type of person (young, fit males) should avoid spending time with him alone.

Re: Resignation

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Post by stephen82 »

keyanp wrote: post #48
stephen82 wrote: post #34

...so let me get this straight: you are not allowed to make mistakes in your life, because everything is digitally archived nowadays that can backfire at any time?! What happened to * learn from your mistakes * trial and error * getting wiser as you grow up * growing up means talk less and think and act more and all these kinds of questions? Where are we going people? I cannot imagine what young kids go through in th…

See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26041829

Those who downvoted me think I support such behavior; I don't!

You know what they say: what goes around, comes around.

Those who go after anyone who has a different opinion than theirs, will face their own actions eventually, one way or another.

What I have stated is a realization: you are not allowed to make mistakes anymore, because you are immediately condemned; period!

This downvoting here proves my point 100%.

Welcome to the era of "Cancel everything because we say so".

Re: Resignation

#64

Post by gabereiser »

atdrummond wrote: post #62
gabereiser wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kevin Spacey comes to mind. There is a thing called statute of limitations for things. Kevin Spacey probably shouldn't have sexually assaulted boys. Because the internet archives everything, no one looks at the date and think how long ago was this?

Unfortunately, he was acting that way well into the 2010s; I had a number of friends in the London theatre scene and it was well known that a certain type of person (young, fit males) should avoid spending time with him alone.

I only heard about the ones from the 1990s. Thanks for adding context. He’s still canceled yet does a creepy Christmas vid considering the history. I’m not defending him at all. More attacking the process of which those allegations were brought to light.

Re: Resignation

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Post by gabereiser »

omgwtfbyobbq wrote: post #60
gabereiser wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A Twitter campaign sounds like cancel culture. There are avenues to address misbehavior. There are ways to report inaccuracies. I’m not defending the man’s mistakes or his podcast. Like I said, there are some things that are table stakes, telling the truth at a news org should definitely be one. His story isn’t unique though about how social media descends on an individual to ruin their lives. He mentioned how the ca…

What's the difference between a cancel culture Twitter campaign and other Twitter campaigns?

I donate money to other Twitter campaigns

Re: Resignation

#66

Post by bradhe »

dfabulich wrote: post #30
hilbertseries wrote: post #5

> And, of course, in 2018 I helped create and produce the most ambitious project I’ve ever worked on: Caliphate. > While I remain proud of our team and what we were able to accomplish with Caliphate, getting any aspect of any story wrong, by any degree, is a journalist’s worst nightmare. After Caliphate was corrected, in print and in audio, peers of mine in the audio industry, from outside of The Times, began to rais…

Indeed. Those who would like to know more may want to read the NYT's own repudiation of Caliphate. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/18/business/media/new-york-t... This Vulture article is a good overall summary of the timeline, which I would absolutely call a "scandal." https://www.vulture.com/2021/01/caliphate-controversy-new-yo... Those who are replying here to decry "cancel culture" are falling for his story. This…

> you're Andy's next victim.

I don't know anything about any of this but I am wondering, if believing his story makes me his next victim, who are his previous victims?

Re: Resignation

#67

Post by bradhe »

gabereiser wrote: post #46
ng12 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People learn from mistakes when there are consequences Oh please. If cancel culture were about learning from your mistakes we wouldn't haunt people for things they did decades ago.

Kevin Spacey comes to mind. There is a thing called statute of limitations for things. Kevin Spacey probably shouldn't have sexually assaulted boys. Because the internet archives everything, no one looks at the date and think how long ago was this?

Are you equating this dude to Kevin Spacey?

Re: Resignation

#68

Post by dfabulich »

bradhe wrote: post #66
dfabulich wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. Those who would like to know more may want to read the NYT's own repudiation of Caliphate. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/18/business/media/new-york-t... This Vulture article is a good overall summary of the timeline, which I would absolutely call a "scandal." https://www.vulture.com/2021/01/caliphate-controversy-new-yo... Those who are replying here to decry "cancel culture" are falling for his story. This…

> you're Andy's next victim. I don't know anything about any of this but I am wondering, if believing his story makes me his next victim, who are his previous victims?

The other people he fooled.

Re: Resignation

#69

Post by gabereiser »

bradhe wrote: post #67
gabereiser wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kevin Spacey comes to mind. There is a thing called statute of limitations for things. Kevin Spacey probably shouldn't have sexually assaulted boys. Because the internet archives everything, no one looks at the date and think how long ago was this?

Are you equating this dude to Kevin Spacey?

Nope

Re: Resignation

#70

Post by eyelidlessness »

As a person who’s chosen to make public accountability (or, more often community accountability because I’m not a public figure) a prominent part of how I’ve corrected future behavior by recognizing past facts... I find it important to point out that this approach is an opportunity to “get ahead of the story and set the narrative”, or just more plainly: it’s a chance for what appears to be frank self recognition and acknowledgment of harmful behavior to become more trustworthy than outside observation.

I’m not saying that’s what Andy is doing here, but I’d encourage readers to keep an open mind that he may be selective in his frankness, and may not even have full recall of his actions.

Any person subjecting themselves to widespread scrutiny is still accountable to others. I’m not familiar enough with any of these details to take any kind of a side, I just think it’s important to add the context that large scale self-accountability doesn’t have to trample other voices of external accountability; that one’s self-portrayal or self-image might be limited, especially when intoxicated; and that smaller stakes ownership of bad behavior is a common tactic of people avoiding larger stakes scrutiny.

That said, I don’t know the guy at all. Just want to make sure bullshit sensors of anyone invested in the post have an additional opportunity for calibration.

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