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Re: Resignation

#41
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cancel culture is what happened after the revelations about the podcast. Some people got angry they felt he wasn't punished enough and turned to cancel culture to punish him instead.

It's concerning that that's the lever, though. Break every rule of your profession and publish a bunch of BS? We'll give you another chance. Gave an inappropriate backrub 10 years ago? You're out! He should have been fired for Caliphate and expressly for Caliphate.

Look at the title here.

Look at the author of this piece.

Do you think a journalist who has no journalistic integrity is going to admit he got fired because he has no journalistic integrity?

Easier to get a sympathy by claiming it was about back rubs.

Re: Resignation

#42
Perhaps failing is so normalized in tech that I'm naive to how the rest of the world thinks, but I don't think failures of the kind Caliphate made should cost someone their job no more than an outage should cost an engineer theirs. A blameless retrospective should occur with the appropriate updates to process so it can't happen again. This was an institutional failure, and I don't suddenly feel better about the accuracy of the New York Times because Andy Mills is not there. I doubt anyone else feels different.

To me, where this went off the rails was when Caliphate turned into a story about privilege and an individual's character, regardless of the truth behind it. I can see why it was allowed to happen, because it distracts from the institutional pattern of behavior by the NYT. Based on the characterization here and my understanding of the Caliphate story, this does not feel like justice. It feels like a witch hunt.

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#43
post #39

Cancel culture is a cancer. Having everything documented online doesn’t help. People are supposed to learn from mistakes. They are supposed to make them because we all make mistakes. There are mistakes that are considered table stakes for a role or a job and I’m for demotion of those individuals for it, but I don’t like seeing this cancel culture ruin lives. It’s very high school and immature.

People learn from mistakes when there are consequences. You are witnessing consequences. There are far more, specific stories of misconduct on Twitter than those acknowledged in this article. If they are untrue, why not specifically say so? Andy Mills is not going to prison. Being called out publically for toxic behavior towards colleagues is not exactly a ruined life. He will be fine (just not as fine as when peers…

> People learn from mistakes when there are consequences

Oh please. If cancel culture were about learning from your mistakes we wouldn't haunt people for things they did decades ago.

Re: Resignation

#44
Pretty crushing.

There is an interesting piece on NPR[1] about the Caliphate thing. Note that it was a runner up for a Pulitzer and won the Peabody award, and it's primary source was lying.

So to contextualize some of the drama, understand that journalists aspire to an award like that. Just as a scientist might aspire to a Nobel Prize. And when such an award is won by a peer it is celebrated, unless it was won through "cheating." Whether it is a journalist who didn't check their source thoroughly or a scientist who falsified data to make the numbers work. The siren call of the award is a powerful force in blinding a person to the possible disqualifying inputs. Very powerful.

I was fortunate to see such an event unfold early in my career with someone I respected who could not, or would not see the warning signs that their "big accomplishment" was not actually an accomplishment. They, like Andy, relied on a third party that didn't see the warning signs as the arbiter of correctness. When it turned out that their big accomplishment wasn't, they could easily blame this third party and present themselves as being blameless. And yet, when it became clear that they should have seen the warning signs as part of their expertise, then the charitable interpretation was that they were just not that great an engineer after all. There were, of course, those who felt the engineer "knew all along" about the problems and were trying to "sneak one by" everyone else. The engineer in question resigned and changed jobs and pretty much faded away.

My take away from that experience was a better understanding of personal integrity. It is hard to take your own ideas and rip them apart, but it is essential that you do so. Because if they can be ripped apart, no matter how attractive they seem, they aren't as great as you think they are. I try to cultivate friendships with people who will do this for me as well. As one of my mentors told me, "Everyone thinks their baby is beautiful, few can appreciate honest feedback." And engineers and managers (especially senior managers) are trained by experience to not to call out the flaws in other peoples ideas to their faces. If you are surrounded by people who won't point out the flaws in your plan, you are at risk of both your plan failing, and having that follow you around for the rest of your days.

I think Andy's resignation post was well written. I'm sorry that he had to go through what he has gone through, and I agree with him that this was the correct next step for him.

[1] https://www.npr.org/2020/12/18/944594193/new-york-times-retr...

Re: Resignation

#45
post #7

This has a very strange format for reading. Is it intentional or is this formatted for mobile devices?

What surprised me: I didn't see any date on that blogpost. So I had to search the name of the author in Google News to discover that he indeed resigned today, and not a few days/weeks ago.

Re: Resignation

#46
post #43
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People learn from mistakes when there are consequences. You are witnessing consequences. There are far more, specific stories of misconduct on Twitter than those acknowledged in this article. If they are untrue, why not specifically say so? Andy Mills is not going to prison. Being called out publically for toxic behavior towards colleagues is not exactly a ruined life. He will be fine (just not as fine as when peers…

> People learn from mistakes when there are consequences Oh please. If cancel culture were about learning from your mistakes we wouldn't haunt people for things they did decades ago.

Kevin Spacey comes to mind. There is a thing called statute of limitations for things. Kevin Spacey probably shouldn't have sexually assaulted boys. Because the internet archives everything, no one looks at the date and think how long ago was this?

Re: Resignation

#47

Cancel culture is a cancer. Having everything documented online doesn’t help. People are supposed to learn from mistakes. They are supposed to make them because we all make mistakes. There are mistakes that are considered table stakes for a role or a job and I’m for demotion of those individuals for it, but I don’t like seeing this cancel culture ruin lives. It’s very high school and immature.

At the root of cancel culture is the freedom of association. Ultimately people either feel fraternity amongst each other or they don't. I might argue that the freedom to not bake cakes or employ gay people with regards to religious rights is also part of the freedom of association. People either feel the love or they don't.

Except for discrimination laws...

Re: Resignation

#48

...so let me get this straight: you are not allowed to make mistakes in your life, because everything is digitally archived nowadays that can backfire at any time?! What happened to * learn from your mistakes * trial and error * getting wiser as you grow up * growing up means talk less and think and act more and all these kinds of questions? Where are we going people? I cannot imagine what young kids go through in th…

See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26041829

Re: Resignation

#49
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cancel culture is what happened after the revelations about the podcast. Some people got angry they felt he wasn't punished enough and turned to cancel culture to punish him instead.

It's concerning that that's the lever, though. Break every rule of your profession and publish a bunch of BS? We'll give you another chance. Gave an inappropriate backrub 10 years ago? You're out! He should have been fired for Caliphate and expressly for Caliphate.

agreed

Re: Resignation

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the root of cancel culture is the freedom of association. Ultimately people either feel fraternity amongst each other or they don't. I might argue that the freedom to not bake cakes or employ gay people with regards to religious rights is also part of the freedom of association. People either feel the love or they don't.

Except for discrimination laws...

My latter example would be with regards to US Constitutional rights, and is possibly something that won't change in your lifetime. If anything, there was political energy to Constitutionally define heterosexual marriage as the only marriage, as it was a presidential get-out-to-vote issue for George Bush Jr.

But it does motivate discussion on fraternity. A discussion of the disarmament of relations must begin with the movement of not only words.

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