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Re: Resignation

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post #33

I read the whole thing and i'm sorry, but a journalist from the NYT complaining about being misrepresented? lol get that shit out of here

The NYT is a venerable news organization. One of the few left. They don't get everything right, but when they get it wrong they retract. And in most cases, they also seem to do proper due diligence for their stories as well as follow proper journalistic standards.

Ever heard of the 1619 Project?

The NYT published historical falsehoods as the central claims in one of their highest profile publications of the last decade. That publication was then pilloried by professional historians and widely criticized as ideological propaganda masquerading as historical scholarship, because that's exactly what it was. They later walked back one of the most glaring errors, but only after months of outcry and their fact-checker, a professional historian, going public to say that he had told them what they were saying was untrue but they had printed it anyway. And they couched the correction in the weasel words of a 'clarification', which is an odd way to describe an update that completely changes the meaning of a sentence. They were later caught stealth-editing the piece and claiming that it had never said something else that had originally been its most prominent claim. Where exactly does journalistic integrity fit into this?

The NYT was a fine newspaper once, but that time is no more.

Re: Resignation

#52

> And, of course, in 2018 I helped create and produce the most ambitious project I’ve ever worked on: Caliphate. > While I remain proud of our team and what we were able to accomplish with Caliphate, getting any aspect of any story wrong, by any degree, is a journalist’s worst nightmare. After Caliphate was corrected, in print and in audio, peers of mine in the audio industry, from outside of The Times, began to rais…

Indeed. Those who would like to know more may want to read the NYT's own repudiation of Caliphate. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/18/business/media/new-york-t... This Vulture article is a good overall summary of the timeline, which I would absolutely call a "scandal." https://www.vulture.com/2021/01/caliphate-controversy-new-yo... Those who are replying here to decry "cancel culture" are falling for his story. This…

Damn, Vulture pulling no punches

> The Verge’s Ashley Carman echoed this critique in her piece on the Times’ December determination, when she identified this as an expression of the dangers around the modern media intellectual property gold rush, which podcasting as an industry has aggressively internalized as a growth hormone

Re: Resignation

#53
post #7

This has a very strange format for reading. Is it intentional or is this formatted for mobile devices?

I actually like it. No distractions, easy to read. It was so good that when I read your comment I didn't even remember what was the format I was reading! I had to click again and re-check. I did remember it was black text on white background.

More that on my screen it's around 320 pixels or so wide... 1/8 of my screen resolution... I would expect at least double of that for reasonable reading experience...

Re: Resignation

#54
post #33

I read the whole thing and i'm sorry, but a journalist from the NYT complaining about being misrepresented? lol get that shit out of here

The NYT is a venerable news organization. One of the few left. They don't get everything right, but when they get it wrong they retract. And in most cases, they also seem to do proper due diligence for their stories as well as follow proper journalistic standards.

This used to be the case, but it's laughably wide of the mark now.

Re: Resignation

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's concerning that that's the lever, though. Break every rule of your profession and publish a bunch of BS? We'll give you another chance. Gave an inappropriate backrub 10 years ago? You're out! He should have been fired for Caliphate and expressly for Caliphate.

Look at the title here. Look at the author of this piece. Do you think a journalist who has no journalistic integrity is going to admit he got fired because he has no journalistic integrity? Easier to get a sympathy by claiming it was about back rubs.

Absolutely right, and I should have written that :)

That said, seems like the easier narrative for the NYT to go with as well -- they don't have to own up to their editorial failures up the chain that way.

Re: Resignation

#56
post #33

I read the whole thing and i'm sorry, but a journalist from the NYT complaining about being misrepresented? lol get that shit out of here

The NYT is a venerable news organization. One of the few left. They don't get everything right, but when they get it wrong they retract. And in most cases, they also seem to do proper due diligence for their stories as well as follow proper journalistic standards.

There aren't venerable news organizations. There are merely those who verify what they publish and those who don't. It doesn't matter how long you've been doing things right, the minute you stop, you become no better than a common tabloid.

Re: Resignation

#57

Cancel culture is a cancer. Having everything documented online doesn’t help. People are supposed to learn from mistakes. They are supposed to make them because we all make mistakes. There are mistakes that are considered table stakes for a role or a job and I’m for demotion of those individuals for it, but I don’t like seeing this cancel culture ruin lives. It’s very high school and immature.

At the root of cancel culture is the freedom of association. Ultimately people either feel fraternity amongst each other or they don't. I might argue that the freedom to not bake cakes or employ gay people with regards to religious rights is also part of the freedom of association. People either feel the love or they don't.

Why is a "freedom" to not employ gay people a freedom? And why freedom of association?

Why another person chooses to do with their genitals is generally no not your business.

It is not a "freedom". It is prejudice and bigotry

Re: Resignation

#58
post #17

>But in the meantime, another story emerged online: that my lack of punishment came down to entitlement and male privilege. The current concept of "privilege" whatever its good original intention, has I think turned into a huge toxic mess. I think it is something that you should bring up about yourself, ie "I have these privileges in life", but never something you should bring up about anyone else.

Saw a good sticker the other day: Giving rights to others is not taking rights away from you. It’s not pie.

Not really. Expanding rights to religious freedom means taking away certain right for others, see eg the gay wedding cake debacle. Expanding rights to "gender self-ID" treads on certain women's rights, see eg single-sex prisons and rape shelters, or the case of Jessica Yaniv in Canada. Expanding free speech rights means reducing people's right to not hear speech they find threatening or offensive. And those are just the obvious examples I can think of immediately.

If no-one's rights were ever in conflict then politics would be much easier than it actually is.

Re: Resignation

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've no idea how you decided this was "cancel culture". It's a garden-variety cockup. Mistakes are not binary, some of them are worse than others. Messing up the spelling of someone's name is common and a subject of regular jest amongst journalists. Slightly misquoting someone might be subject to some kind of internal discipline, it will at least lead to a correction being published. Publishing mostly fiction without…

A Twitter campaign sounds like cancel culture. There are avenues to address misbehavior. There are ways to report inaccuracies. I’m not defending the man’s mistakes or his podcast. Like I said, there are some things that are table stakes, telling the truth at a news org should definitely be one. His story isn’t unique though about how social media descends on an individual to ruin their lives. He mentioned how the ca…

What's the difference between a cancel culture Twitter campaign and other Twitter campaigns?
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