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Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

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Post by dagmx »

Chetan496 wrote: post #45
dagmx wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whether your dad is okay with it or not is irrelevant though. The fact remains though that many are unhappy about it and have been attacked violently. The fact is that the police have filed FIRs against people for voicing support. Those are the salient points to this discussion on whether India will ban Twitter or not

It's true that considerable number of farmers are unhappy with the new farm laws. But an even larger number of farmers are just fine with those. Ideally, this should be implemented differently in each state, as situation in each state is different. Violence does not help in anyway - either by the farmers or the police. The other point is about involvement of shady organizations. There is evidence that the protests we…

How quickly people devolve into conspiracy theories when authoritarian forces are questioned.

So anyone criticizing India is involved in a global conspiracy to malign it?

As an Indian, I am dissapointed in how quickly this country has turned on its own people in the name of the ruling party. Where does it end?

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

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Post by Chetan496 »

dagmx wrote: post #71
Chetan496 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's true that considerable number of farmers are unhappy with the new farm laws. But an even larger number of farmers are just fine with those. Ideally, this should be implemented differently in each state, as situation in each state is different. Violence does not help in anyway - either by the farmers or the police. The other point is about involvement of shady organizations. There is evidence that the protests we…

How quickly people devolve into conspiracy theories when authoritarian forces are questioned. So anyone criticizing India is involved in a global conspiracy to malign it? As an Indian, I am dissapointed in how quickly this country has turned on its own people in the name of the ruling party. Where does it end?

please read the document before dismissing it as a consiparcy theory. It clearly mentions to people in other countries to protest in front of Indian embassies.

What does someone from UK understand about Indian farmers? By all means protest in India - without resorting to violence. No point in protesting in other country unless you think that will create external pressure on the Indian government. Here the government is willing to talk further, even put a stay on the laws for 18 months , but the protestors just do not want to collaborate.

I agree that the government should have been transparent from the beginning. The stubbornness of ruling government escalated situation. But atleast now they are ready to talk. Why do the protesters still want to keep escalating by resorting to violence?

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

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Post by Chetan496 »

birksherty wrote: post #64
Chetan496 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's true that considerable number of farmers are unhappy with the new farm laws. But an even larger number of farmers are just fine with those. Ideally, this should be implemented differently in each state, as situation in each state is different. Violence does not help in anyway - either by the farmers or the police. The other point is about involvement of shady organizations. There is evidence that the protests we…

"Malign India's image" is a typical response when someone outside says what wrong is going on. Whatever that toolkit and organisation is doing is creating awareness among people about farmer's protest. Where is the malign India part? Anybody can spread awareness like this. John Oliver did like this many times e.g. during net neutrality, he asked all trolls to write complain to FCC. This is how less powerful can organ…

Greta Thunberg is not 'less powerful'. And the Khailstani organisations are also not less powerful.

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

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Post by Chetan496 »

birksherty wrote: post #64
Chetan496 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's true that considerable number of farmers are unhappy with the new farm laws. But an even larger number of farmers are just fine with those. Ideally, this should be implemented differently in each state, as situation in each state is different. Violence does not help in anyway - either by the farmers or the police. The other point is about involvement of shady organizations. There is evidence that the protests we…

"Malign India's image" is a typical response when someone outside says what wrong is going on. Whatever that toolkit and organisation is doing is creating awareness among people about farmer's protest. Where is the malign India part? Anybody can spread awareness like this. John Oliver did like this many times e.g. during net neutrality, he asked all trolls to write complain to FCC. This is how less powerful can organ…

The accusation that Indian govt is asking celebrities to copy paste tweet could be true.

but did you consider the possibility that some of those celebrities truly want things to be settled peacefully?

could Mia , Rihanna and Greta be also not part of a propaganda?

Even if both sides are using propaganda as a weapon, atleast celebrities like Sachin Tendulkar are not spreading lies. They are only giving a positive message. They want the whole matter to be solved and for that it's the Indian government and the Indian farmers who have to work together.

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

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Post by MrRadar »

eplanit wrote: post #66
MrRadar wrote: post #32

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Keep in mind that amateur radio operators are banned from using encryption* on the air which means no HTTPS/TLS, SSH/SFTP, VPNs, or Tor. You'd basically be operating with the privacy of the Internet circa 1995. Almost all commercial activities are also banned. * Authentication is allowed but the contents of the messages cannot be concealed.

But if the extreme measure of cutting people off at the ISP level were to occur (heaven forbid), wouldn't such rules be broken in the name of civil disobedience? I'm curious about what's technically feasible. Do "preppers" have a plan for such an event?

Hams are pretty uptight about self-policing what goes on in their RF spectrum, mostly because they realize that if they don't a) other people will step in and police it for them and b) it would make it much easier for commercial interests to make the case for their spectrum allocations to be taken away (they're recently losing this fight in the 3.3-3.5 GHz band to 5G cellular networks and increasingly high-frequency traders are eyeing their traditional shortwave allocations to shave those next few microseconds off compared to microwave networks).

If you did start transmitting encrypted stuff on the ham bands someone would probably foxhunt you (even if you were doing it for "civil disobedience") and ask you politely to stop before reporting you to the FCC. You could of course work outside of the ham bands but then what you're doing would be illegal for other reasons.

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

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Post by hollerith »

hollerith wrote: post #19

Sadly, it is unrealistic to hope that my country will also ban Twitter. Details of the software behind an online forum make a big difference to how the forum affects its participants and the society they are part of. It would take a long article to begin to describe exactly how the details of Twitter are bad, but as a start we might notice how difficult it is for a reader to find the responses to a particular contrib…

(replying to myself)

On second thought, it would be bad for my government to ban Twitter, but I still wish more people would decide to stop using it.

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

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Post by dagmx »

Chetan496 wrote: post #72
dagmx wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How quickly people devolve into conspiracy theories when authoritarian forces are questioned. So anyone criticizing India is involved in a global conspiracy to malign it? As an Indian, I am dissapointed in how quickly this country has turned on its own people in the name of the ruling party. Where does it end?

please read the document before dismissing it as a consiparcy theory. It clearly mentions to people in other countries to protest in front of Indian embassies. What does someone from UK understand about Indian farmers? By all means protest in India - without resorting to violence. No point in protesting in other country unless you think that will create external pressure on the Indian government. Here the government…

I did read it. It's pure garbage. How can you, with a straight face, read that and believe it? It's text book conspiracy.

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

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Post by selimthegrim »

actuator wrote: post #69
selimthegrim wrote: post #68

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When East Punjab was split into Punjab and Haryana what the hell do you think GoI was doing then?

I am not too aware about the reason for this. Most of the states have been divided on linguistic lines. Punjab and Haryana have different dominant languages. It also might have been administrative like it was for a lot of states.

If you think Nehru didn't want to weaken Sikhs I have a Ram Setu to sell you.

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

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Post by birksherty »

Chetan496 wrote: post #74
birksherty wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Malign India's image" is a typical response when someone outside says what wrong is going on. Whatever that toolkit and organisation is doing is creating awareness among people about farmer's protest. Where is the malign India part? Anybody can spread awareness like this. John Oliver did like this many times e.g. during net neutrality, he asked all trolls to write complain to FCC. This is how less powerful can organ…

The accusation that Indian govt is asking celebrities to copy paste tweet could be true. but did you consider the possibility that some of those celebrities truly want things to be settled peacefully? could Mia , Rihanna and Greta be also not part of a propaganda? Even if both sides are using propaganda as a weapon, atleast celebrities like Sachin Tendulkar are not spreading lies. They are only giving a positive mess…

Tendulkr is spreading lies as the tweet (which is a copy paste job) makes it look like thing are going well on farmers side and gov is thinking about them. Where did rihanna and greta lied? You are also spreading propaganda here or just biased like sachn.

Gov doesn't want to work together, they made the law and want everyone to obey them.

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

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Post by actuator »

selimthegrim wrote: post #78
actuator wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not too aware about the reason for this. Most of the states have been divided on linguistic lines. Punjab and Haryana have different dominant languages. It also might have been administrative like it was for a lot of states.

If you think Nehru didn't want to weaken Sikhs I have a Ram Setu to sell you.

Weaken them by making a state where electoral prospects are just decided by them? That is just counter intuitive. If you don't divide the state, they aren't in the majority anymore but it does increase the administrative burden.

Also, you are talking about the same person who gave away land in other states, even the Himalayan ones to the community. They had very limited presence there before.

If you read the history of the religion and subcontinent, there is no reason he would even want to weaken them as well. Leaving the small separatist voices aside, the vast majority is so intermingled with the dominant religion in North India, that there is no reason to do this.

Anyway, it seems you are even less aware about this topic than most people are. I am not sure where you are getting your information from, but reading from your charged language I can only ask you to not fall for hyperbole and look at things pragmatically.

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