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To be clear the police did attack the farmers long before republic day. It's a pressure cooker situation right now
Did they actually attack? I haven't come across any news about that.
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Also, in Kashmir's case, the lines become blurry because on one hand you have excesses from the Indian state, and on the other hand you have a bloody armed insurgent movement which sometimes is just separatist and sometimes also coloured on religious lines. It is quite a controversial topic and when someone looking from outside can't even gauge the recent issue at hand correctly[1], you can't expect them to have the…
why are things blurry? you are saying >and on the other hand you have a bloody armed insurgent movement which sometimes is just separatist and sometimes also coloured on religious lines. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_guerrilla_movements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_rebel_groups kashmir has been fighting against both india and pakistan on many fronts ever since this issue began. the state of ka…
> the state of kashmir has been essentially fighting war of independence against foreign oppressive rule for the past 500 years.
But what constitutes foreign rule. If I move before 500 years, we have Mauryas or Karkotas ruling Kashmir with Srinagar being an important city to them, which are pan North Indian empires.
> why do you think just because someone picked a gun that they have muddied the waters and only way out is to surrender because you cannot do an armed struggle?
Well, I think once a struggle turns violent, the issue becomes emotive on both sides as there is blood shed. For people in Kashmir, it has been since 1947, wounds of which keep opening up again. For people in rest of India, the narrative and the blood of the people from RoI which has been spent in keeping Kashmir has been huge as well.
No one would want to back down, the armed insurgent movement is never going to succeed.
My second point was, some of the groups are motivated on religious lines and want a country based on a religion which makes it extremely hard for others to sympathise for them.
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The current party in power in India is removing minimum purchase prices for produce. This is akin to removing minimum wage for farmers in a market where it would be financial ruin for most farmers and give way to corporate farms leading the way. The farmers were peacefully protesting and the government has reacted by attacking them quite brutally etc.. recently they've also issued FIRs (effectively arrest warrants) f…
Well my dads a farmer and he has no problem with these laws and you will find the same with majority of the farmers in India. They support the law, literally every economist is giving their approval to these laws. There will naturally be some opposing the law and the government has held a dozen meetings with the small number of farmers to discuss each and every point, but they are hell bent on repealing the law inste…
Those who are ok with it, don't have that protection, already get much lower payment than what they should, law does not effect them. This is the vast majority of farmers btw. So they don't care.
But saying just because vast majority ok without knowing what is going on is very shellfish. Educate yourself before making allegations.
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Whether your dad is okay with it or not is irrelevant though. The fact remains though that many are unhappy about it and have been attacked violently. The fact is that the police have filed FIRs against people for voicing support. Those are the salient points to this discussion on whether India will ban Twitter or not
It's true that considerable number of farmers are unhappy with the new farm laws. But an even larger number of farmers are just fine with those. Ideally, this should be implemented differently in each state, as situation in each state is different. Violence does not help in anyway - either by the farmers or the police. The other point is about involvement of shady organizations. There is evidence that the protests we…
Anybody can spread awareness like this. John Oliver did like this many times e.g. during net neutrality, he asked all trolls to write complain to FCC.
This is how less powerful can organise online. Meanwhile Indian govt and it's cyber gang is the one who is making sportsperson and celebrities to post some copy paste tweet to counter this. This is what gov propaganda looks like.
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Did they actually attack? I haven't come across any news about that.
Yes they've been constantly attacked since the early days of the protest, from last year. There's a lot of footage online of it from November/December. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-55156219
Right now I'm listening to a report on NPR about how India, the world's largest democracy, leads the world in the number of times it has shut down Internet access. As this will inevitably (sadly) become the norm, I fully expect we'll see the same in the U.S. in relatively short time. Hopefully that's too pessimistic; but, to be prepared -- what is the state of the art of HAM-based networking in the U.S.?
Keep in mind that amateur radio operators are banned from using encryption* on the air which means no HTTPS/TLS, SSH/SFTP, VPNs, or Tor. You'd basically be operating with the privacy of the Internet circa 1995. Almost all commercial activities are also banned. * Authentication is allowed but the contents of the messages cannot be concealed.
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why are things blurry? you are saying >and on the other hand you have a bloody armed insurgent movement which sometimes is just separatist and sometimes also coloured on religious lines. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_guerrilla_movements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_rebel_groups kashmir has been fighting against both india and pakistan on many fronts ever since this issue began. the state of ka…
I apologise for any mistake I make here as my knowledge of Indian history is not very fresh. > the state of kashmir has been essentially fighting war of independence against foreign oppressive rule for the past 500 years. But what constitutes foreign rule. If I move before 500 years, we have Mauryas or Karkotas ruling Kashmir with Srinagar being an important city to them, which are pan North Indian empires. > why do…
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I apologise for any mistake I make here as my knowledge of Indian history is not very fresh. > the state of kashmir has been essentially fighting war of independence against foreign oppressive rule for the past 500 years. But what constitutes foreign rule. If I move before 500 years, we have Mauryas or Karkotas ruling Kashmir with Srinagar being an important city to them, which are pan North Indian empires. > why do…
When East Punjab was split into Punjab and Haryana what the hell do you think GoI was doing then?
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Just to add the context - the law does't target MSP directly. They are basically saying that now all farmers of the country can sell their produce without the control of government owned marketplaces called 'mandis'. In 'mandis' there is a minimum support price, so farmers have a guarentee of getting atleast that much for their produce. Now when market will be opened, this will probably kill the MSP system, as now th…
I share the same fear farmers have in regards to corporations taking over things. I have seen documentaries about how the 3-5 corporate monopolies in USA are abusing the chicken farmers. So I don't know if the Indian farmers fear about corporations are entirely wrong. Having said that, I think the new laws are good for India. These are the arguments I have heard in favor of the new laws: India introduced the current…
Also, the world is seeing rise of social media platforms over governments where a celebrity can tweet and ask their followers to attack a building or start a protest. In such a novel volatile environment it's very important for governments to adapt and understand their population. And I also read that this change was in discussion already from a decade and also present in manifesto of the opposition party. It's a loss making system for government and the taxes we are paying are balancing that loss. As far as I can deduce, MSP has become a welfare scheme now. I wish, it would have not become the mess it is now and farmers could have also feel safer to move to open market and compete globally.