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Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

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https://www.indiatoday.in/india/jammu-and-kashmir/story/sout... They just banned internet for million or so people in Kashmir. Outright internet vban, twitter ban is nothing

Isn't it coming back from midnight Friday - https://thewire.in/rights/jammu-kashmir-internet-4g

this one is more immediate, full blackout.

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

#22
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes considering all the news we see about Hong Kong. It is surprising that Kashmir isn't covered despite being in worse situation for more than a year, over a similar issue.

HK used to be more stable and is a highly visible global node that is well connected, exports cultural products, and is home to foreign offices for a lot of companies. It’s very easy to cover HK given that, say, the NYT has been there for the past few decades and has staffers who have directly observed changes throughout that time. My impression of Kashmir is that the situation hasn’t been positive for a very long ti…

Also, in Kashmir's case, the lines become blurry because on one hand you have excesses from the Indian state, and on the other hand you have a bloody armed insurgent movement which sometimes is just separatist and sometimes also coloured on religious lines.

It is quite a controversial topic and when someone looking from outside can't even gauge the recent issue at hand correctly[1], you can't expect them to have the context of Kashmir issue.

[1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/rihanna-rallies-to-the-wrong-ca...

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

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post #9

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/jammu-and-kashmir/story/sout... They just banned internet for million or so people in Kashmir. Outright internet vban, twitter ban is nothing

Yes considering all the news we see about Hong Kong. It is surprising that Kashmir isn't covered despite being in worse situation for more than a year, over a similar issue.

Kashmir was covered even less. Remember the ethnic cleansing in the 90s?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

#24
post #7

I don't think they'll ban Twitter. This isn't the first time ruling party is unhappy with it. Govt. would not want it to be escalated as it is already in a soft war with China and would need USA's support in it.

Hypothetically, you can ban twitter and still be friends with USA geo-politically. One is not comparable to the other.

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

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post #2

Can someone summarize the issue? The article is behind a paywall.

The current party in power in India is removing minimum purchase prices for produce. This is akin to removing minimum wage for farmers in a market where it would be financial ruin for most farmers and give way to corporate farms leading the way. The farmers were peacefully protesting and the government has reacted by attacking them quite brutally etc.. recently they've also issued FIRs (effectively arrest warrants) f…

Just to add the context - the law does't target MSP directly. They are basically saying that now all farmers of the country can sell their produce without the control of government owned marketplaces called 'mandis'. In 'mandis' there is a minimum support price, so farmers have a guarentee of getting atleast that much for their produce. Now when market will be opened, this will probably kill the MSP system, as now this will be an open market where farmers will directly deal with corporates or their consumers. Right now the produce has to be strictly sold with government owned mandis, which I think is causing government financial losses.

The protests were generally peaceful, but recently on our republic day we cannot say it remained peaceful. I think government should have first spent time in making people understand the pros/cons of the changes and take their feedback if they are ready. Any protests long drawn, can turn violent.

My personal take on this is that farmers are not ready yet to face the corporate world as buyers. This law should come, but not now. And Government can build an intermediary organization to work with both mandis and corporates - but again, whenever government builds something in India, the officers appointed use corruption to take it from useful to useless. So that also won't work. I don't know, what can solve this issue apart from government holding off the laws. They are saying they can put the law on hold for 1.5 years, but the protest is at a stage where they want it to be totally taken back. The case is also in supreme court of India where I think they have made a committee to solve this. But I believe protesters are very concerned about livelihood post these laws. I guess that's the trouble with big changes like this, it can impact people positively/negatively in short term but might boost the economy in long run. It's important to protect people during these major changes also. May be NGOs can be used to first raise awareness - small A/B test can be done with experiment group. I don't know why governments don't do incremental changes slowly.

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

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post #14
post #2

Can someone summarize the issue? The article is behind a paywall.

The current party in power in India is removing minimum purchase prices for produce. This is akin to removing minimum wage for farmers in a market where it would be financial ruin for most farmers and give way to corporate farms leading the way. The farmers were peacefully protesting and the government has reacted by attacking them quite brutally etc.. recently they've also issued FIRs (effectively arrest warrants) f…

The law is also removing mandatory middle men who had a lot of sway over the farmers who had to go through them to sell their produce. Effectively going towards a free-er market.

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

#27
post #12

Right now I'm listening to a report on NPR about how India, the world's largest democracy, leads the world in the number of times it has shut down Internet access. As this will inevitably (sadly) become the norm, I fully expect we'll see the same in the U.S. in relatively short time. Hopefully that's too pessimistic; but, to be prepared -- what is the state of the art of HAM-based networking in the U.S.?

What leads you to believe the USA has any interest, now or in the future, in shutting down Twitter?

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

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post #14
post #2

Can someone summarize the issue? The article is behind a paywall.

The current party in power in India is removing minimum purchase prices for produce. This is akin to removing minimum wage for farmers in a market where it would be financial ruin for most farmers and give way to corporate farms leading the way. The farmers were peacefully protesting and the government has reacted by attacking them quite brutally etc.. recently they've also issued FIRs (effectively arrest warrants) f…

> ...is removing minimum purchase prices for produce.

This is false. They are removing the restriction that all produce has to be sold in a APMCs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_produce_market_co...)

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

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Indian. I resisted getting a twitter account all these years, but created one just to keep track of the pandemic. As far as I can tell, Indian political parties and "news" outlets have completely gamed the system. Every day, there would be a new outrage hashtag. And by no means are these outrages driven by one political faction. Over the last one year, I notice that Twitter itself has taken steps to limit the "trending" hashtags. Since 2021, I see just one or two such hashtags on the homepage.

With all this outrage generated on Twitter, I really wonder how much of a role Twitter is playing in incitement(s). Would I be sad to see Twitter go? To some extent... there are some great people I follow on Twitter. But the platform itself, I tend to see as a force of evil.

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

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Sure, we are back to talking about free speech considerations since now it is not the side most of the tech press hates being blocked.

What Twitter started with when it decided to become the arbiter of what is allowed on the platform, and what constitutes inciting violence and unrest, it opened a slippery slope.

I read about the hashtag in question and it definitely seems like one can spin it as people inciting unrest and violence similar to what happened few weeks back. Twitter lost the moral ground here as soon as it decided to wade into what constitutes good speech and what not.

Anyway, Twitter has been a toxic platform for a while now. It just has managed to evade the scrutiny FB gets. Just look at the sort of activism that goes around there which is related to the current issue. https://www.wsj.com/articles/rihanna-rallies-to-the-wrong-ca...

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