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Program teaches prisoners coding so they can land tech jobs once released

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Re: Program teaches prisoners coding so they can land tech jobs once released

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When I look over the interview and coding exercise results from entry-level applicants, I can understand how some of the candidates will apply and interview a lot before landing a role. There’s a pretty sharp clustering into “can very likely code” and “did not demonstrate they could productively code”.

For many entry level tech jobs today, I think you'll find the bar is considerably higher.

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Re: Program teaches prisoners coding so they can land tech jobs once released

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I think that retribution, which is of course the principal component of justice, is a key part of prisons. Somewhere the scales must be balanced, and if not in prisons, where then? Should the assaulted be happy with the fact that the inmate will get a job? That is not to say that prisons should be blind to the fact that inmates will eventually be released. There are plenty of people who have committed no crime, but g…

> Should the assaulted be happy with the fact that the inmate will get a job? Heck yeah! If civil penalties have been assessed, how else are they going to get paid? Crazy how most Americans think even the smallest crime should mean life in prison plus anal rape

What's crazy is that you think that most Americans think even the smallest crime should mean life in prison plus anal rape.

Re: Program teaches prisoners coding so they can land tech jobs once released

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I think that retribution, which is of course the principal component of justice, is a key part of prisons. Somewhere the scales must be balanced, and if not in prisons, where then? Should the assaulted be happy with the fact that the inmate will get a job? That is not to say that prisons should be blind to the fact that inmates will eventually be released. There are plenty of people who have committed no crime, but g…

>Should the assaulted be happy with the fact that the inmate will get a job? It was not until now that I came to realize that everyone in American prisons are actually there for assault. The mind reels.

Nowhere did I make that claim.

Re: Program teaches prisoners coding so they can land tech jobs once released

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Entry level tech jobs are remarkably scarce and difficult to obtain/maintain. Even with a masters and experience it takes 100+ applications. Most companies don’t hire programmers and the ones that do often contract it out overseas. I know there are caveats and counter-anecdotes but this has been my set of observations over the last 10 years.

In my experience hiring for jr webdev and full stack roles, about 1 in 5 people could pass fizzbuzz (even when the mathematical algorithm was explained in writing). About 1 in 100 completed the basic web app demo (untimed, take home, expected to take between 30 minutes and 2 hours, in any language, with a test suite included as a shell script). I often hired the first person even remotely qualified with the intent on teaching the gap because hiring took so long. This was in Chicago from about 2011 to 2018.

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>the country’s 83 percent recidivism rate Holy shizz, that's a lot. It's as if US laws and prisons aren't there to rehabilitate an individual but to turn him against society for good, making him a returning "customer" so that certain interest groups can keep profiting. But that's just probably my imagination running wild.

Monday's segment of Marketplace is worth listening to. The gist of it was that in many (all?) places in the US, a landlord can be sued if they rent to someone who has a criminal record who then went on commit another crime. As a result, few landlords will rent to them. I hang out on real estate forums and have never met anyone who would rent to someone with a criminal record. Getting a job is a whole other problem. T…

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Re: Program teaches prisoners coding so they can land tech jobs once released

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I think that retribution, which is of course the principal component of justice, is a key part of prisons. Somewhere the scales must be balanced, and if not in prisons, where then? Should the assaulted be happy with the fact that the inmate will get a job? That is not to say that prisons should be blind to the fact that inmates will eventually be released. There are plenty of people who have committed no crime, but g…

What makes you think retribution is the principal component of justice? That seems very wrong to me. Justice is a deep concept - https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/justice/ is an overview, and it's not short - but on plain sight, I'd say that since it is the public, through the medium of government, that enforces justice, it should do so with a utilitarian view. Society has a vital interest in reintegrating people wh…

> What makes you think retribution is the principal component of justice? That seems very wrong to me.

It seems right to me. In my opinion, justice comes from the concept of reciprocity. In other words, if someone does bad, it is just that bad is done to them (retribution). The reverse is also true: it is just that good things occur to people who do good deeds.

> Justice is a deep concept - https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/justice/ is an overview, and it's not short - but on plain sight, I'd say that the fact that it is the public, through the medium of government, that enforces justice, it should do so with a utilitarian view.

It's wrong to write as if this is a closed question. There are plenty of philosophers who aren't utilitarians and who see justice grounded elsewhere than "whatever I think will be good for society".

Re: Program teaches prisoners coding so they can land tech jobs once released

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This seems like a neat idea, but wouldn't it be more pragmatic to teach them skills they can use more universally to get jobs for which maybe there's much more cultural inclination?

Like carpentry, electrician, construction, plumbing?

Maybe it's prejudiced, but all the people I know that 'got in trouble' eventually made their way to construction crews. It worked well.

White Collar jobs come along with a ton of other social baggage and expectations (and prejudices) whereas highly skilled labour tends not to.

And there are construction jobs literally everywhere.

Finally, they can pay very well. Everyone is in need of a good carpenter.

Re: Program teaches prisoners coding so they can land tech jobs once released

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I think that retribution, which is of course the principal component of justice, is a key part of prisons. Somewhere the scales must be balanced, and if not in prisons, where then? Should the assaulted be happy with the fact that the inmate will get a job? That is not to say that prisons should be blind to the fact that inmates will eventually be released. There are plenty of people who have committed no crime, but g…

> Should the assaulted be happy with the fact that the inmate will get a job? Um... what? This is borderline advocating for all sentences be for life. If a sentence is given and served, the convicted deserve a chance at living. The US has a terrifying and awful fetish for punishing lower/middle-class folks who commit some of the pettiest of crimes, many of which struggle to re-integrate with society if/when they're r…

I don't think I advocated that all sentences should be for life, and I don't get how you got to there from what I wrote.

Re: Program teaches prisoners coding so they can land tech jobs once released

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Entry level tech jobs are remarkably scarce and difficult to obtain/maintain. Even with a masters and experience it takes 100+ applications. Most companies don’t hire programmers and the ones that do often contract it out overseas. I know there are caveats and counter-anecdotes but this has been my set of observations over the last 10 years.

There is a big difference between knowing coding syntax (for beginners that is typically what they call coding) and being able to write applications. A lot of false hope is raised like this. And even worse: there are programmes where they ask for money to teach people how to code and give them the false impression of getting a job easily.
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