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I thought it was Venezuela?
Same thing, as far as conspiracy theorists are concerned.
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How will they know the source code they're reading is what's on the machines? An important part of elections is for people to understand and trust the process. Paper is easy to understand; you and a bunch of your neighbors counting paper votes is easy to trust. Maybe mix in a machine to speed up the process that is also verified by hand. Yet I can't help but think nothing will convince those who so easily believe in…
The thing that really keeps elections secure, practically, is adversarial observers. If you want people to have faith in the election, this is the system to explain, and demonstrate. You can even go be an observer if you like.
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So did Rachel Maddow devote hours and hours of air time repeating her conspiracy theory over and over and bring on multiple supposed experts to also reassert the claim even after it was debunked? Or did she say it one time?
>>So did Rachel Maddow devote hours and hours of air time repeating her conspiracy theory over and over and bring on multiple supposed experts to also reassert the claim even after it was debunked? Yes, literally. https://theintercept.com/2017/04/12/msnbcs-rachel-maddow-see...
The opening of suit is priceless. “The Earth is round. Two plus two equals four. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won the 2020 election for President and Vice President of the United States. The election was not stolen, rigged, or fixed. These are facts. They are demonstrable and irrefutable. Defendants have always known these facts. They knew Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won the 2020 U.S. election. They knew the election…
Fascinating! I look forward to someone demonstrating these facts.
The opening of suit is priceless. “The Earth is round. Two plus two equals four. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won the 2020 election for President and Vice President of the United States. The election was not stolen, rigged, or fixed. These are facts. They are demonstrable and irrefutable. Defendants have always known these facts. They knew Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won the 2020 U.S. election. They knew the election…
> Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won the 2020 election for President and Vice President of the United States. The election was not stolen, rigged, or fixed. These are facts. They are demonstrable and irrefutable. Fascinating! I look forward to someone demonstrating these facts.
To all the naysayers, is there any other way to hold fox accountable for all the propaganda and division that they have down for that 5 years at least? And to hold rupert murdoch accountable?
Cancel your cable TV subscription.
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> Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won the 2020 election for President and Vice President of the United States. The election was not stolen, rigged, or fixed. These are facts. They are demonstrable and irrefutable. Fascinating! I look forward to someone demonstrating these facts.
Do you believe all American elections are most likely stolen unless someone presents you with facts that satisfy you? Trump, Obama, Bush, all the result of rigged elections too? What could ever satisfy you that you know, without a doubt, how millions of Americans voted?
No, not all elections.
> Trump, Obama, Bush, all the result of rigged elections too?
Perhaps, how would one know? Are you at all aware of the allegations about Bush 00 and 04?
> What could ever satisfy you that you know, without a doubt, how millions of Americans voted?
The results of a system that was designed to be verifiably resistant towards fraud would go a long way towards removing reasonable doubt.
And this right here is why so many people have been dead against voting machines. Even if you think you understand them, most voters can't. Most voters have no idea what to look for to see signs of fraud. Ballot papers are understood by everyone. Just about every voter knows when they're seeing something happen with ballot papers that is suspect. Just about every voter knows when there really isn't anything remotely…
So ballot papers really aren't understood by everyone. That 2000 election is still dubious. It didn't turn into the dumpster fire that this one did, because the personalities involved didn't stoke it that way.
In 2020 there was no way for it to end well. There would have been equal arguments over paper ballots. They shot out hundreds of equally ludicrous conspiracy theories, not one of which was accepted by a court. There were thousands of other contests being decided, and all of them somehow managed to be run without controversy.
There was no way for justice to be seen to be done, and any arguments for or against electronic voting are moot.
The opening of suit is priceless. “The Earth is round. Two plus two equals four. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won the 2020 election for President and Vice President of the United States. The election was not stolen, rigged, or fixed. These are facts. They are demonstrable and irrefutable. Defendants have always known these facts. They knew Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won the 2020 U.S. election. They knew the election…
You got me, I am a secret member of the deep state.
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Can you give an example of what you would characterize as "smears against people who call for entirely reasonable verification"? And while you're at it, who you consider a "top-tier expert"? It seems to me that the people getting served with lawsuits weren't just concerned about vulnerabilities and calling for verification, they were outright claiming that the election was stolen. And stating made-up ideas about how…
> who you consider a "top-tier expert"? The authors: https://media.defcon.org/DEF%20CON%2027/voting-village-repor...
Have they been hit with lawsuits or smears? Are they alleging that the attacks they demonstrated were actually used in this election?