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Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Re: Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Post by google234123 »

ihumanable wrote: post #28
treeman79 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cancel culture means only once view point is allowed. Anyone that disagrees is automatically attacked and given many horrible labels. Want to move the tax rate up or down? Your a racist if you pick wrong.

We want structural change with laws and government regulation! No, you can't have that, the market must decide, it's most efficient! Ok, then when people do things we don't like, we will boycott them since we can only use market based solutions. No, that's cancel culture! Hmm.... seems like these two ideas together is basically just a long way of saying that those with power should be immune from society at large.

Cancel culture is usually trying to get people fired or deplatformed.

Re: Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Post by us0r »

rspeele wrote: post #47
justaguyonline wrote: post #8

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The most incredible factoid for me: These machines, the Smartmatic machines, weren't even really used in the election. >Smartmatic technology was used only in Los Angeles County, California in the 2020 election. The system we provided to LA County does not count, tabulate or store votes.[1] A single county in the whole of the United States used them. Verifiable or not, there's nothing this company could of done to ch…

Yeah, one of the things you are expected to accept right off the bat going into the conspiracy "evidence" is that all of these companies are essentially the same entity: Diebold, Dominion, Sequoia, SmartMatic, and Edison Research. Once you buy that, you'll also buy that they're all owned by communist China.

I thought it was Venezuela?

Re: Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Post by barbacoa »

jandrese wrote: post #25
treeman79 wrote: post #23

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Ah, so glad that only one side lies. So nice of the other side to keep telling us constantly. Wonderful how we can trust big brother on everything.

The whatabboutism sure came quick. Dude, you messed up the playbook. Deny first then deflect. Or were there too many sources posted and you thought the denial would look silly? Also, put up or shut up. Find a legal case where an NBC, ABC, PBS, Washington Post, NYT, etc... reporter uses the "I only broadcast opinions so the truth doesn't matter" defense. I'm waiting.

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Re: Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Post by harry8 »

And this right here is why so many people have been dead against voting machines. Even if you think you understand them, most voters can't. Most voters have no idea what to look for to see signs of fraud.

Ballot papers are understood by everyone. Just about every voter knows when they're seeing something happen with ballot papers that is suspect. Just about every voter knows when there really isn't anything remotely credible about ballot papers marked and properly counted and scruitinised. It's not perfect but it is so much better than litterally anything else it's not comparable. Justice must not only be done it must be seen to be done.

Any and all voting machines /must/ only ever be used to mark ballot papers that are filed in the usual way and can be counted in the usual way if there is any doubt whatsoever.

To hell with these election tech companies for doing anything else. Undermining the proper functioning of democracy for profit is something for which I will never, ever forgive them.

The whole point is I should be convinced, everyone should be convinced that the election was run and counted fairly when I loathe and hate the result. When I can't understand how it could be true I should be utterly convinced that it is.

So here we are with baseless claims of election fraud and yet there's some fertile ground to sew them where there should be NONE. Cheering these assholes for suing fox is just because I hate Murdoch is beneath me and should be beneath us all.

So here's the question. Will America reform its electoral process to increase citizens confidence that the voting and counting is free of political and/or corporate interests? Including gerrymanders and such or will the disease march on ever worsening to more and louder cries from all losers of "We were robbed!" See Neera Tanden's "Russia tampered with the election to make Hilary lose" if you need examples for the whole "both sides" thing.

Re: Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Post by ihumanable »

google234123 wrote: post #51
ihumanable wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We want structural change with laws and government regulation! No, you can't have that, the market must decide, it's most efficient! Ok, then when people do things we don't like, we will boycott them since we can only use market based solutions. No, that's cancel culture! Hmm.... seems like these two ideas together is basically just a long way of saying that those with power should be immune from society at large.

Cancel culture is usually trying to get people fired or deplatformed.

The goal of a boycott is to bankrupt a company by depriving it of revenue, thereby firing all the people that work for that company.

Deplatforming is just a boycott by proxy, it's the customers of Twitter / Facebook / YouTube / saying that they won't continue to use their platform if the company uses their position to give a megaphone to someone who espouses ideas they don't like.

Boycotts have traditionally been seen as a natural part of a free market economy. The same people that are all about "vote with your dollars" have decided that they would really rather you not vote against them with your dollars and have coined a new turn-of-phrase in hopes of evading public scrutiny.

I don't subscribe to the concept that there is a meaningful distinction between "canceling" and "boycotting" it's just marketing spin.

Re: Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Post by triceratops »

us0r wrote: post #52
rspeele wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, one of the things you are expected to accept right off the bat going into the conspiracy "evidence" is that all of these companies are essentially the same entity: Diebold, Dominion, Sequoia, SmartMatic, and Edison Research. Once you buy that, you'll also buy that they're all owned by communist China.

I thought it was Venezuela?

Same thing, as far as conspiracy theorists are concerned.

Re: Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Post by triceratops »

Errsher wrote: post #39
vlang1dot0 wrote: post #31

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Ah yes, the average citizen will definitely trust that "homomorphic encryption" isn't just some nonsense made up so the election can be rigged.

The difference is that with something like ElectionGuard - as long as the encrypted result is publicly available - you would remove an entire class of complaints that people have with the current system - individuals would be able to validate that their personal vote was counted appropriately, and you would be able to audit the authenticity of every vote without disclosing/revealing who individuals vote for. Unlike t…

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of why so many people don't trust this election, and it has nothing to do with the technology. They don't trust it because the loser of the election has made up baseless claims of fraud - so that he can continue to line his pockets with his supporters' donations. And those supporters are in far too deep now to accept that they've been hoodwinked for so many years.

Re: Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Post by triceratops »

google234123 wrote: post #51
ihumanable wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We want structural change with laws and government regulation! No, you can't have that, the market must decide, it's most efficient! Ok, then when people do things we don't like, we will boycott them since we can only use market based solutions. No, that's cancel culture! Hmm.... seems like these two ideas together is basically just a long way of saying that those with power should be immune from society at large.

Cancel culture is usually trying to get people fired or deplatformed.

Isn't boycotting a company the same as firing that company?

Re: Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Post by zokula »

jacob2484 wrote: post #12
ashneo76 wrote: post #7

To all the naysayers, is there any other way to hold fox accountable for all the propaganda and division that they have down for that 5 years at least? And to hold rupert murdoch accountable?

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Lol @ Calling CNN and MSNBC leftwing

Re: Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Post by rspeele »

harry8 wrote: post #54

And this right here is why so many people have been dead against voting machines. Even if you think you understand them, most voters can't. Most voters have no idea what to look for to see signs of fraud. Ballot papers are understood by everyone. Just about every voter knows when they're seeing something happen with ballot papers that is suspect. Just about every voter knows when there really isn't anything remotely…

> Any and all voting machines /must/ only ever be used to mark ballot papers that are filed in the usual way and can be counted in the usual way if there is any doubt whatsoever.

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what the machines used in this election do. Some counties use touchscreen ballot marking devices that print a ballot for scanning, others have the voter fill out their ballot with a pen and then feed that into the scanner. Of those two variants, I believe election security experts prefer the latter type. But as far as I know all voting machines used in the US do use a paper ballot as the permanent record.

Didn't help, here, since when they recounted those paper ballots the argument shifted to "well you have to re-check the signatures on the envelopes, those could've been fake ballots", or "well there was a lot of traditional fraud with mail-in ballot harvesting and dead people voting". But the same people were still saying the machines cheated, too -- especially whenever they were talking to a receptive audience.

I'm all for more openness in elections and publicly auditable data (and open-source voting machine code), but let's not pretend that it would've changed much here. People believed the election was stolen because they wanted to believe it was stolen.

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