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Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

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Post by 2Gkashmiri »

actuator wrote: post #22
bobthepanda wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HK used to be more stable and is a highly visible global node that is well connected, exports cultural products, and is home to foreign offices for a lot of companies. It’s very easy to cover HK given that, say, the NYT has been there for the past few decades and has staffers who have directly observed changes throughout that time. My impression of Kashmir is that the situation hasn’t been positive for a very long ti…

Also, in Kashmir's case, the lines become blurry because on one hand you have excesses from the Indian state, and on the other hand you have a bloody armed insurgent movement which sometimes is just separatist and sometimes also coloured on religious lines. It is quite a controversial topic and when someone looking from outside can't even gauge the recent issue at hand correctly[1], you can't expect them to have the…

why are things blurry? you are saying >and on the other hand you have a bloody armed insurgent movement which sometimes is just separatist and sometimes also coloured on religious lines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_guerrilla_movements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_rebel_groups

kashmir has been fighting against both india and pakistan on many fronts ever since this issue began. the state of kashmir has been essentially fighting war of independence against foreign oppressive rule for the past 500 years.

so what 30 years ago pakistan convinced and managed to turn thousands of kashmiris as pawns in a proxy war with india. that doesnt mean kashmir is with pakistan, on the contrary, people in pakistan occupied kashmir protest against their oppression daily.

why do you think just because someone picked a gun that they have muddied the waters and only way out is to surrender because you cannot do an armed struggle?

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

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Post by nonamechicken »

qart wrote: post #29

Indian. I resisted getting a twitter account all these years, but created one just to keep track of the pandemic. As far as I can tell, Indian political parties and "news" outlets have completely gamed the system. Every day, there would be a new outrage hashtag. And by no means are these outrages driven by one political faction. Over the last one year, I notice that Twitter itself has taken steps to limit the "trendi…

>But the platform itself, I tend to see as a force of evil.

Exactly my thoughts the last couple of weeks. I think world would be a much better place if platforms like Twitter or Facebook doesn't exist. All they are doing now is spreading hatred and divisiveness in our societies, be it USA or India. I left Facebook back in 2012. And quit Twitter & Reddit for good this week.

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

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Post by mandeepj »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #20
dagmx wrote: post #14

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The current party in power in India is removing minimum purchase prices for produce. This is akin to removing minimum wage for farmers in a market where it would be financial ruin for most farmers and give way to corporate farms leading the way. The farmers were peacefully protesting and the government has reacted by attacking them quite brutally etc.. recently they've also issued FIRs (effectively arrest warrants) f…

It is more nuanced. The peaceful protestors got violent. They attacked the Red fort and flew flags for a separatist movement after bringing down the Indian flag. Such an attack on democracy should not be allowed.

>after bringing down the Indian flag

Indian flag was not even touched. Stop spreading lies.

There's not even a single other instance where flag was disrespected during last 4+ months. So, why it happened only there? It was conspired and scripted by govt to malign the movement. The entry gates were also not secure.

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

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Post by Zezi »

mandeepj wrote: post #48
Zezi wrote: post #36

Twitter is 100% gamed by big money. Rihanna for instance was paid 2.5M for pro farmer tweet

> Rihanna for instance was paid 2.5M for pro farmer tweet You can game any system like that - instagram etc Why do you think Rihanna would need 2.5M for such a tweet when her any collaboration can make her much, much more money? Just because she did not sing to your tunes so you thought you can accuse her like that.

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/other/rihanna-paid-2425-milli...

Almost every organic trending thing like this starts off with PR firms getting celebrities. Most celebrities tweets and instas are sponsored

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

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Post by nonamechicken »

l0k3ndr wrote: post #25
dagmx wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current party in power in India is removing minimum purchase prices for produce. This is akin to removing minimum wage for farmers in a market where it would be financial ruin for most farmers and give way to corporate farms leading the way. The farmers were peacefully protesting and the government has reacted by attacking them quite brutally etc.. recently they've also issued FIRs (effectively arrest warrants) f…

Just to add the context - the law does't target MSP directly. They are basically saying that now all farmers of the country can sell their produce without the control of government owned marketplaces called 'mandis'. In 'mandis' there is a minimum support price, so farmers have a guarentee of getting atleast that much for their produce. Now when market will be opened, this will probably kill the MSP system, as now th…

I share the same fear farmers have in regards to corporations taking over things. I have seen documentaries about how the 3-5 corporate monopolies in USA are abusing the chicken farmers. So I don't know if the Indian farmers fear about corporations are entirely wrong.

Having said that, I think the new laws are good for India. These are the arguments I have heard in favor of the new laws:

India introduced the current MSP related system back in 1960 to inspire farmers to grow those crops when India had a huge shortage of food grains, and was importing food directly from US (google 'ship to mouth india'). That is not the case now. India actually has a surplus of those grains.

Also, MSP covers only something like 15-26 food crops produced in India. For example, we all saw how onion prices dropped to insanely low prices last 2 years. There was no MSP for them. Just yesterday, there was news of a farmer in UP dumping 1000 kg cauliflower because of low prices.

Also, I believe this MSP cover is available only in certain states, which puts other states at a disadvantage. To make things complicated, there is a law that guarantees certain grains at low price for the poor. For example, the govt will give rice at 3 rupees to the poor. Govt has to buy the rice from the farmers because of the MSP system (say at Rs 20), and then in turn sell them to the poor at Rs.3 in a state which doesn't have MSP, thus putting the farmers in the non MSP states at a huge disadvantage.

Another reason I heard is that farmers are producing huge amounts of MSP crops such as rice and wheat because the price is guaranteed, while ignoring other crops that India has to heavily import (such as ground nut). The govt has to purchase the MSP grains no matter what, and the godowns have way more in stock than India could distribute (almost double or more last year).

Also, some of these MSP crops like rice require lot of water for cultivation, and considering the shortage of water in most places in India, govt wants to reduce the farming of such crops.

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

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Post by nonamechicken »

dagmx wrote: post #37
l0k3ndr wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to add the context - the law does't target MSP directly. They are basically saying that now all farmers of the country can sell their produce without the control of government owned marketplaces called 'mandis'. In 'mandis' there is a minimum support price, so farmers have a guarentee of getting atleast that much for their produce. Now when market will be opened, this will probably kill the MSP system, as now th…

To be clear the police did attack the farmers long before republic day. It's a pressure cooker situation right now

Did they actually attack? I haven't come across any news about that.

Re: Will India Ban Twitter?

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Post by l0k3ndr »

Chetan496 wrote: post #45
dagmx wrote: post #34

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Whether your dad is okay with it or not is irrelevant though. The fact remains though that many are unhappy about it and have been attacked violently. The fact is that the police have filed FIRs against people for voicing support. Those are the salient points to this discussion on whether India will ban Twitter or not

It's true that considerable number of farmers are unhappy with the new farm laws. But an even larger number of farmers are just fine with those. Ideally, this should be implemented differently in each state, as situation in each state is different. Violence does not help in anyway - either by the farmers or the police. The other point is about involvement of shady organizations. There is evidence that the protests we…

Exactly. Not all farmers are protesting. It can be good for some, but it's definitely risky for people who are already doing well with the existing MSP system. But social platforms show you what you previously liked, and people get conditioned to not see both sides of the coin. It can be good for poor states who are already throwing their crops due to low MSP rates.

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Post by mandeepj »

Chetan496 wrote: post #18
dagmx wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current party in power in India is removing minimum purchase prices for produce. This is akin to removing minimum wage for farmers in a market where it would be financial ruin for most farmers and give way to corporate farms leading the way. The farmers were peacefully protesting and the government has reacted by attacking them quite brutally etc.. recently they've also issued FIRs (effectively arrest warrants) f…

1. The protest on the republic day was not peaceful. Some groups among protesters hoisted a different flag on the Red fort, Delhi 2. Not all farmers across the country are protesting. Some are. Mainly Punjab, Haryana, few from Tamil Nadu and Maharashtra, Rajasthan. 3. It's true that the government has not been totally transparent. But they put a stay on implementation of farm laws for the next 18 months and offered t…

You forgot UP, Karnataka, Kerala, and WB. So, it's pretty much most of India :-)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_Indian_farme...

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/farmers-protest-states...

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