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Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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Post by foxhop » Fri, Feb 05, 2021, 5:01 PM UTC

tinus_hn wrote: post #188

foxhop wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And that cost falls squarely on the site owner not the comment service. Moderation may be as expensive or as cheap as you make it. Big Tech is spending a lot of money on it, thousands of people and jobs and algorithms. If you ask me, it's a fools errand and I hope that they waste their money trying to build a clean Internet. Reference: https://www.remarkbox.com/remarkbox-is-now-pay-what-you-can....

I don’t know the rules for Disqus but I expect that they impose at least some limits to block bots and spam, which is almost impossible to achieve for a small site.

Check out akismet, it works for wordpress and is likely all you need to divide spam from ham during moderation.

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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Post by rendall » Fri, Feb 05, 2021, 5:05 PM UTC

I've been building a commenting system called Simple Comment that leverages free-tier offerings for hosting and data. So, you own it, hosting and data. It's at MVP status now, but it's as-yet pretty rough. You're welcome to try it out. I'd love feedback.

https://simple-comment.netlify.app/

Heck, be the first to leave a comment!

It has one customer so far: my blog. https://blog.rendall.dev

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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Post by foolinaround » Fri, Feb 05, 2021, 5:10 PM UTC

foxhop wrote: post #155

If you are looking for a free hosted comment system, check out Remarkbox https://www.remarkbox.com I'm the founder and in 2021, the service is now Free for all to use. Check out my reasons for opening up the service to all here: https://www.remarkbox.com/remarkbox-is-now-pay-what-you-can.... Big Tech must NOT have a monopoly on moderation!

how do you generate revenue to sustain this service?

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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Post by porsupah » Fri, Feb 05, 2021, 5:13 PM UTC

tupshin wrote: post #115

stonesweep wrote: post #109

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Shoutcast/Icecast are alive and well, there are thousands of independent radio stations online; one of the most well known (SomaFM) is alive and well, ad free listener supported. Big Sonic Heaven is still online, both of these are like 20 years and running. Lots of podcasts are free from their source, Spotify doesn't even offer one of favorite ones (a weekly DJ mix, 500+ episodes strong) all you need is an app like A…

In that vein, I'd suggest Radio Paradise. Also add free, listener supported, and has been streaming amazing mixes for over 20 years. https://radioparadise.com/

Likewise, you might enjoy:

CHIRP Radio (Chicago): https://chirpradio.org 4ZZZ (Brisbane): https://www.4zzzfm.org.au

Both are ad-free, other than local community orgs and the occasional local independent business plug, and funded by listener donations. Big bonus: huge variety in their playlists, with the DJs playing whatever they feel like.

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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Post by dbrgn » Fri, Feb 05, 2021, 5:45 PM UTC

sambf wrote: post #27

andrewflnr wrote: post #12

What are good self-hosted alternatives? I remember looking at Commento ( https://github.com/adtac/commento ) before, but if people have had good experiences with others I'd like to hear them.

I'm using Isso [0], it's simple, lightweight, and does the job. A demo is on their page. [0] https://posativ.org/isso/

I've been using this for a few years already. Does it's job. I like it.

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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Post by nexthash » Fri, Feb 05, 2021, 5:47 PM UTC

xfz wrote: post #94

Title should probably have [Advert] prefix or something. That said, I deleted my Disqus account as part of a general cleanup and I'm glad I did. The web needs to shift more to a model where people pay openly for services; ideally with micropayments or a Spotify-like subscription to ensure a large user base. Free products are ok as a gateway to the paid product, but not if the business model relies on selling data (ei…

In my opinion, having to shell out small bits of money every time you hit a paywall on the Internet is just as bad as having your data sold. I wish there was a viable pay-once-for-all alternative to microservices for the Web, possibly even integrated with your Internet service provider bill.

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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Post by grishka » Fri, Feb 05, 2021, 5:49 PM UTC

> consider migrating from Disqus to a privacy-first commenting system. One such service is Hyvor Talk

I see blocked requests to doubleclick.net, which is a Google advertising domain, on its website. And then a lot more third-party domains that weren't blocked. Such privacy, much wow.

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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Post by andros » Fri, Feb 05, 2021, 5:50 PM UTC

I don't know why you use Disqus when there is an Opensource alternative: Glosa --> https://github.com/glosa/glosa-server

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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Post by wyattjoh » Fri, Feb 05, 2021, 5:53 PM UTC

input_sh wrote: post #14

andrewflnr wrote: post #12

What are good self-hosted alternatives? I remember looking at Commento ( https://github.com/adtac/commento ) before, but if people have had good experiences with others I'd like to hear them.

I've seen some examples in which people embed Discourse discussions. There's also Coral ( https://github.com/coralproject/talk ) which used to be Mozilla + Vox project before Mozilla handed it over to Vox completely, but I have no experience with it.

Lead developer at Coral here (so some experience :P)

Coral is more suited typically to larger organizations trying to power multi-site community tools. It has a powerful moderation system that's all open source! It's probably overkill for a static blog or small site.

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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Post by nexthash » Fri, Feb 05, 2021, 5:56 PM UTC

EGreg wrote: post #126

xfz wrote: post #94

Title should probably have [Advert] prefix or something. That said, I deleted my Disqus account as part of a general cleanup and I'm glad I did. The web needs to shift more to a model where people pay openly for services; ideally with micropayments or a Spotify-like subscription to ensure a large user base. Free products are ok as a gateway to the paid product, but not if the business model relies on selling data (ei…

We’ve been saying that for years, but nothing gets done. My team and I went ahead to describe how it will work, and will be releasing it in 2022 after building it openly on GitHub: https://qbix.com/QBUX/whitepaper.html#DIGITAL-MEDIA-AND-CONT... But watch the silent downvotes for this comment... and this is part of the reason why it won’t happen unless someone braves ridicule even of the very technologists who are sup…

Your whitepaper promises an all-in-one utopian decentralization panacea for the Internet. On top of that you are piggybacking off of unsubstantiated crypto hype, even though cryptocurrencies have many problems (including lack of trust/recourse between parties due to decentralization). That might contribute to the reason you are finding no traction for your idea.