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Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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post #148

I wonder if anyone has considered using Gmail or another free email provider to be their comment backer. You get an API that already supports threading.

There was a post here a couple weeks ago about using Mastodon (ActivityPub) to add a comment feed to a static site. Seems like an interesting idea.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25570268

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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post #93

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I've been thinking about that a bit recently, for a product I'm building where I'd also like to offer a free tier, but at the same time I'm afraid that it's too much of a hassle. I'm wondering if an open subsidized approach could work: E.g. for every paid user you allow 100 (or at whatever threshold) users to sign up for the free tier. Possible one could also set up a monthly donation system that directly goes toward…

So it depends a bit on what you are hosting, but a real concern for myself at least is the value that free users bring to your service. I'm not talking about the costs of running your service to support them, but everything else. A part of your free userbase will expect the world for free and start demanding more, and as they outnumber your paid users by so much it can just be a huge distraction. The question is how…

Check out the pay-want-you-can model.

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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post #105

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> We'll pay for hosting Will we? Most personal websites i know of, including my own, fit perfectly within the free tiers of Netlify/Vercel/Firebase/S3+CloudFront/GitHub Pages/etc.

The cost of a commenting system is not in hosting, it’s in moderation.

And that cost falls squarely on the site owner not the comment service. Moderation may be as expensive or as cheap as you make it.

Big Tech is spending a lot of money on it, thousands of people and jobs and algorithms.

If you ask me, it's a fools errand and I hope that they waste their money trying to build a clean Internet.

Reference: https://www.remarkbox.com/remarkbox-is-now-pay-what-you-can....

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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Shameless plug: My friend and I are building a federated commenting system on top of Matrix if anyone is interested. You control the data, your users choose where they want to be signed up, and the system will not disappear overnight because a company decides to discontinue it. And of course there are no trackers/pixels.

This is a hobby project that we're launching in three weeks. If you are interested, come talk to us on matrix (https://matrix.to/#/#cactus:bordum.dk) or keep an eye on our (for now dummy-) landing page: https://cactus.chat/, https://gitlab.com/cactus-comments

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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post #141

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Can I ask an honest question: Why do you want to allow random people to leave comments on your blog and be responsible for them? I just don't see the value and feel that it just adds technical and security overhead, invites spam, and possibly the need to waste time moderating trash comments. Many blogs that I have visited which demonstrate or explain something technical with a comment section has: spam, accolades suc…

> I just don't see the value and feel that it just adds technical and security overhead, invites spam, and possibly the need to waste time moderating trash comments. I've been running a tech blog for 5+ years now and it has thousands of comments. I happen to be using Disqus (not proudly, it is what it is), and I've only ever had to moderate a few comments. Disqus does a pretty good job at stopping blatant spam. Somet…

I can help you import your users and comments into Remarkbox if you like to move your community.

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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post #107
post #103

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Does any other service deliver music and podcasts at a much lower price then?

Plenty of alternatives exist - YouTube Premium ( which also gets you YouTube with no adds, on top of YouTube Music), Amazon Music, Apple Music, and iirc pandora, SoundCloud? I haven't compared prices.

So, your suggested alternative to avoid data monopolization is to use a FAANG (with a worse product)? I accept that those are alternatives, but no thanks.

Pandora has been geo-blocked and IIRC only serves the USA since 2007, and SoundCloud appears to me to be offering a different service.

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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What are good self-hosted alternatives? I remember looking at Commento ( https://github.com/adtac/commento ) before, but if people have had good experiences with others I'd like to hear them.

https://www.remarkbox.com

I'm the founder and in 2021, in the face of the Monopolistic take over of speach and allowing communities to self-moderate, I've made the service free!

Reference:

https://www.remarkbox.com/remarkbox-is-now-pay-what-you-can....

Worth reading the publicly released statement.

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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post #149
post #148

I wonder if anyone has considered using Gmail or another free email provider to be their comment backer. You get an API that already supports threading.

Someone sends a very bad link (eg CP) and all of your google accounts get nuked immediately without any chance of appeal.

Yup. Be vary careful with your big tech accounts. They may be revoked without any path to resolution.

Re: Disqus, a dark commenting system

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post #51

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> Yeah, I think the problem with self-hosting vs. Medium is that it is harder for the authors to reach a large audience. To be honest, this sounds like profit thinking as well. Why would one need "wide audience" when it's about their interest and hobbies? They need sincere search engines, that's all.

Some people are proud of their work and they want to show it to others. The more people see it and appreciate it, the more validated and important the creators feel. It's like sending invitations to your birthday party. It feels bad when just one person shows up. > They need sincere search engines, that's all. What exactly are you suggesting to the content creators?

> The more people see it and appreciate it, the more validated and important the creators feel.

That is called vanity in one word.

> What exactly are you suggesting to the content creators?

If it really is a hobby, one enjoys it on it's own. The "showcase" part shouldn't be essential for one to take joy in the process.

My recommendation is to find a space where one can share what they achieved, but it really doesn't (shouldn't) need to be a "wide audience", rather the opposite: a group of people who actually enjoy the same things. Enthusiasts, maybe even fans.

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