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Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by Mauricebranagh »

lavishlatern wrote: post #263
newman314 wrote: post #253

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FWIW, I recently found out that AirBnB now requires government id to be shared as verification after not having logged into AirBnB since 2014. I tried to delete my account but the option is not available or may be hidden behind the forced verification requirement.

Pretty much all hotel chains require ID these days, even if you're paying with cash. There are also some state and local ordinances that require hotels to take ID of guests, so I doubt it's Airbnb's choice to do this. Deletion is another matter though.

In the UK a few years ago when I wanted to stay on after a conference for a couple of days they demanded to see my passport.

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Post by 548D4D0A »

simonh wrote: post #304
91ffc269f090 wrote: post #291

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Now try the same with HN. You cannot remove your old posts.

I think this is spot on, when you post something to a communications platform you are publishing content. How can there be any expectation you can then un-publish it? Consider this in the context of bullying or shaming, should someone who sends me an abusive message have the ability to delete all trace of it afterwards?

I assume you would also be ok with Twitter and Facebook not allowing people to delete anything? For shame!

The authors' moral right alone should allow any content authored by them to be un-published. Ever heard of a paper being pulled?

You example of bullying is top notch but what about doxing concerns? Plenty of people delete their "content" without being bullies.

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Post by robin_reala »

skynet-9000 wrote: post #170
manquer wrote: post #134

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Apart from the lobbying power of Facebook Twitter size company, it is pretty hard to deplatform them. On a purely technical level Facebook runs their own infra. They would be hard to deplatform. The only people who are probably capable of doing that is the l3 type service providers. Even there Facebook , google own investments in undersea cables. Also the size of their deal value to the vendor makes a huge difference…

This is true. Apple can't get rid of Facebook or Google Maps, no matter how much they hate them, but they can easily get rid of pesky startups while claiming to be standing on principles. Not much of a moral victory there, though! (even if you believe they were right to do so, which I do not.)

Pre-Fortnite-sage I wouldn’t have been so sure, but they had 116m users at that point and were still banned. Obviously that’s still an order of magnitude smaller, but…

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Post by Mauricebranagh »

vkou wrote: post #309
tomrod wrote: post #215

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Alt-left isn't a thing in the US, perhaps you're falling for a false dichotomy. Alt-right is a euphemism for fascism/white supremism.

I'm not going to split hairs about the actual positions of radical leftists, because it's not really relevant to this conversation. I will, however, point out, that much of the alt-right is terrified of the antifa boogieman... And that Parler, the platform of free speech was quite happy to ban anything that smelled of antifa... As well as much that could, be described as moderate leftism. Its tolerance for speech onl…

I think you mean European / UK Centrists like that Nice Lib dem Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez :-) and that On nation tory Mr Obama

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Post by pelliphant »

Fogest wrote: post #312
dannyw wrote: post #303

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Free legal speech usually stays online. It will be deplatformed from mobile stores, but even Cloudflare protects the reincarnation of TheDonald (patriots.win). Parler, OTOH, constantly had threats of harm to elected representatives, or just democrats in general.

Cloudflare even supports sites like thepiratebay if I recall correctly. It does make me respect them more and makes me happy to do business with them.

even??

Is tpb somehow worse than the other sites mentioned?

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Post by ryanlol »

wmf wrote: post #104
dilyevsky wrote: post #36

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Going with another major scale cloud provider was definitely poor planning there

Proper planning would have been what, coloing hundreds of servers worth millions of dollars as a DR plan? And having no guarantee that the colo provider wouldn't also deplatform them?

Oh please. Colo those servers and don’t publicly expose your relationship with the colo provider, spin up frontend proxies on other providers to hide your backend.

This is basic stuff, the problem with Parler is that their team seems to have no experience hosting controversial content.

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Post by stef25 »

johnisgood wrote: post #338
Broken_Hippo wrote: post #334

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I'm OK with this. Private messages have shared ownership. You weren't sending them to yourself. Yes, there might be identifying information in the content of the messages. Yes, in the majority of cases it wouldn't make a difference. In some minority of cases, though, they would. Abusive ex sending you messages over discord? Yeah, those might be evidence especially when both parties are saying different things. This i…

Well, I thought they would delete them after having requested it, but they did not. In any case, there is a feature on Discord: I can delete messages (for everyone). So as long as I can log in to Discord, I can delete messages. I doubt they actually get deleted though, probably just changes its visibility, but in any case... why would not they do that if I could do it anyway were I to be able to log in?

GDPR rules (which may not apply to you or Discord, not sure) say a company MUST hard delete a user's data upon request. Except if company can claim to need it, like for invoicing / tax reasons. Seems reasonable.

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Post by lathiat »

CodesInChaos wrote: post #357
craz8 wrote: post #280

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I’ve implemented email blocking recently where we stored a secure hash of the blocked email so we know we’ve seen it, but we don’t have it stored. So it is possible to do that correctly Discord probably doesn’t do that though

Hashing is better than storing it in the clear, but many email addresses have too low entropy to make hashing an effective anonymization.

Someone did a pretty good analysis of that problem here: https://medium.com/@matthew.bajorek/using-hashcat-to-recover...

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Post by acomjean »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #326
latch wrote: post #277

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> I wonder if the reason why they turn into toxic cesspools is precisely because the only people who use free speech platforms are the people who were kicked off the others You don't have to wonder, we've seen this time and time again with virtually every open community. Without tireless moderation, the swamp grows. In other words, the majority of people who use free speech platforms have already answered your questi…

You're not actually answering the question. Suppose that the dominant platforms (e.g. Facebook) are not free speech platforms. They boot off a hundred thousand people. 10% of them actually deserved it and are militant jackasses who ruin everything. Now someone else creates a "free speech" platform. Everybody is allowed in. Well, 80% of the initial users are going to be a subset of the ones who got kicked off of the i…

That might work. Except these platforms are about getting you to spend more time on them. Thus they threw in some AI to decide what to show people.

Turns out outraging people increases engagement so the “jackasses” get amplified.

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Post by user3939382 »

stef25 wrote: post #377
johnisgood wrote: post #338

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Well, I thought they would delete them after having requested it, but they did not. In any case, there is a feature on Discord: I can delete messages (for everyone). So as long as I can log in to Discord, I can delete messages. I doubt they actually get deleted though, probably just changes its visibility, but in any case... why would not they do that if I could do it anyway were I to be able to log in?

GDPR rules (which may not apply to you or Discord, not sure) say a company MUST hard delete a user's data upon request. Except if company can claim to need it, like for invoicing / tax reasons. Seems reasonable.

So does California state law
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