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Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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> We believe privacy is paramount and free speech essential, especially on social media. this, from their "technical difficulties" notice, should have been enough for him to be fired on its own. requiring some users to provide government identification, building such weak security that anyone can read and archive private messages, and not stripping out damaging meta-data from media posts are three ways to not provide…

When Parler praises "free speech" they're really just using that as a cover for running a cheap Twitter clone with no investment in moderation. They exist to extract profit with minimum overhead.

Moderation is highly subjective and Parler seemed to have limited moderation mostly to illegal speech. We have built an entire country on the premise of legal vs illegal speech and have very clear laws and systems in place for reporting and handling violations. If a company chooses to adhere to the law but not also impose their own biases when it comes to moderation, that is their right. As long as they are undoubtedly doing their best to actually adhere to the law and remove and report illegal content promptly. The technology exists to do this effectively. The real issue lies on the subjective preferences people have over what. otherwise legal, speech should be allowed to remain on the platforms. Clearly it’s a slippery slope which is the basis for the spirit of the 1st amendment in the first place. Whether the 1st amendment ought to apply to the subset of private companies which have collectively become our virtual public forum is a separate debate. But the concept of restrictions on speech still applies to social platforms.

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Who owns the message? The sender or receiver? That is a question that bugs me once in a while.

If I send you a paper mail, you keep it and your descendants could read it in 2121. Of course you own it and they will own it. If I send you an email, same thing, if it survives for such a long time. Does Google/any ISP also own it? If I send you a SMS, same thing, I bet it won't survive. Does the phone company also own it? If I write you on a social network, do you and I own the message or does the social network ow…

You cannot "unsend" a letter, an SMS, or an e-mail. You can delete messages "for everyone" in many instant messaging apps, and you can do that on Discord, too. The thing here is that they did not do what I could have done were I able to access my account. Perhaps it is covered in their ToS or Privacy Policy.

To the down-voter: could you please elaborate with what you got the problem so we could potentially discuss it?

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How can people fall for this trap of discussing Parler incident as a transgression of free speech? It was a vile specialized platform that fostered very particular anti-social, frequently murderous behavior. They had plenty of time to prove otherwise and they clearly did not care or did not want to. Now they poison the actually good idea of free speech with their infantile appeal. In theory and in practice they are o…

Ah, so free speech is only a good idea when you agree with it. I get it.

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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FWIW, I recently found out that AirBnB now requires government id to be shared as verification after not having logged into AirBnB since 2014. I tried to delete my account but the option is not available or may be hidden behind the forced verification requirement.

That is so typical. My experience with Discord: I need to login to my account to be able to delete it, except what if I cannot log into it?! At first they disabled it, then I e-mailed them requesting them to delete my account, but all they did was a soft-delete, of course. All of the private messages are still there, etc. Even if I were to delete my account myself, it would still leave all my messages intact. I guess…

I'm OK with this. Private messages have shared ownership. You weren't sending them to yourself. Yes, there might be identifying information in the content of the messages. Yes, in the majority of cases it wouldn't make a difference.

In some minority of cases, though, they would. Abusive ex sending you messages over discord? Yeah, those might be evidence especially when both parties are saying different things. This is the most common example I can think of, but I'm sure there are others. Heck, even if someone wanted to reminisce about days gone by... they should have the right to do so in conversations they were involved in.

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So, the path to success for Parler would have been: Step 1: Hire huge moderation team. Step 2: Write draconian terms of service that incorporated every possible offensive thing that any vendor might object to. Step 3: Build an app that explodes with all the users that are delighted with the moderation. Step 4: Profit! That's not how Facebook and Twitter ("the free speech wing of the free speech party") were launched,…

The problem is that twitter and Facebook already exist and do their jobs well enough and have moderation Any parler type thing is only ever going to get the worst of the worst of possible users. The folks who get kicked off Facebook and Twitter aren't the people you want to build a business on

> kicked off Facebook and Twitter aren't the people you want to build a business on

They could have if they went with a provider located in another more conservative country. Or long-shot self hosted.

Not supporting Parler however, it deserves it's rightful place in the embers of eternal hell for negligently failing to protect & secure sensitive user data.

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But it was really about robust business relationships rather than robust technology, wasn't it? According to then-CEO John Matze, their bank, lawyers, text and mail delivery services also cancelled on them.

The scariest one IME is having the bank cancel you. I really worry the world is heading for parallel societies. Good luck to us all.

It’s why there was discussion about alternative currencies with Parler.

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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> We believe privacy is paramount and free speech essential, especially on social media. this, from their "technical difficulties" notice, should have been enough for him to be fired on its own. requiring some users to provide government identification, building such weak security that anyone can read and archive private messages, and not stripping out damaging meta-data from media posts are three ways to not provide…

FWIW, I recently found out that AirBnB now requires government id to be shared as verification after not having logged into AirBnB since 2014. I tried to delete my account but the option is not available or may be hidden behind the forced verification requirement.

I'm pretty sure I had to send in a photograph of my passport when I created my AirBnB account back in 2013.

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That is so typical. My experience with Discord: I need to login to my account to be able to delete it, except what if I cannot log into it?! At first they disabled it, then I e-mailed them requesting them to delete my account, but all they did was a soft-delete, of course. All of the private messages are still there, etc. Even if I were to delete my account myself, it would still leave all my messages intact. I guess…

I'm OK with this. Private messages have shared ownership. You weren't sending them to yourself. Yes, there might be identifying information in the content of the messages. Yes, in the majority of cases it wouldn't make a difference. In some minority of cases, though, they would. Abusive ex sending you messages over discord? Yeah, those might be evidence especially when both parties are saying different things. This i…

Well, I thought they would delete them after having requested it, but they did not. In any case, there is a feature on Discord: I can delete messages (for everyone). So as long as I can log in to Discord, I can delete messages. I doubt they actually get deleted though, probably just changes its visibility, but in any case... why would not they do that if I could do it anyway were I to be able to log in?

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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post #271

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Who owns the message? The sender or receiver? That is a question that bugs me once in a while.

If I send you a paper mail, you keep it and your descendants could read it in 2121. Of course you own it and they will own it. If I send you an email, same thing, if it survives for such a long time. Does Google/any ISP also own it? If I send you a SMS, same thing, I bet it won't survive. Does the phone company also own it? If I write you on a social network, do you and I own the message or does the social network ow…

> Of course you own it and they will own it.

While the receiver of a letter on paper certainly owns the letter she doesn't own its contents. The copyright of the letter remains with the author.

So you can frame the letter and hang it on your wall you violate the authors copyright if you publish it without authorization.

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Going with another major scale cloud provider was definitely poor planning there

I get that everyone just wants to shit on Parler, but AFAIK they didn't host any content that wasn't present in far greater quantity on Facebook and Twitter. It would have been reasonable to expect to have access to the same platforms as those companies.

You mean building out their own datacentres?
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