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Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by op03 »

motohagiography wrote: post #62

Odd dynamic there as unfortunately, standing on principle means getting martyred, and the quote from the former CEO of, “Over the past few months, I’ve met constant resistance to my product vision, my strong belief in free speech and my view of how the Parler site should be managed” is not CEO level strategic. His investors and board hired him to win, not to pick a principled hill to die on. Martyrs are cheap and nob…

He is saying what he needs to say to get the next clubhouse of impatient, misguided rich people to fund "vision". Standing on principles my ass.

The only thing I am happy about is how fast the cycle is operating these days ie how quickly mindlessly ambitious self important people who get propped up through pandering to the right clubhouse get discarded.

Thats a good thing.

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by judge2020 »

echelon wrote: post #148
judge2020 wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AWS provided multiple times over evidence of violent content that was against their policies and asked Parler to step up moderation, which didn't happen. AWS arguments: https://twitter.com/KYWeise/status/1349200096345296897?s=20 > Parler itself has admitted it has a backlog of 26,000 reports of content that violates its (minimal) community standards that it had not yet reviewed https://twitter.com/KYWeise/status/1349…

I wonder whose side the FSF would take. Amazon shouldn't be making these decisions, and certainly not without giving the other party ample time to make other arrangements. This should have been litigated in court prior to taking deplatforming actions. Imagine if Amazon was a Chinese company and Parler hosted information about the plight of the Uyghur people. Community websites have the right to enforce rules. I'm not…

> Amazon shouldn't be making these decisions, and certainly not without giving the other party ample time to make other arrangements

Amazon is still working with Parler to export their data off of AWS.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/johnpaczkowski/amazon-p...

> We will ensure that all of your data is preserved for you to migrate to your own servers, and will work with you as best as we can to help your migration

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by riffic »

thinkmassive wrote: post #95
vmception wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are the permissionless decentralized tools really not prepared for any level of throughput yet? Genuine question Are there any tools for hosting large volumes of user generated content in a decentralized permissionless way? Even if you have to pare down the front end and reduce reliance on some infrastructure concepts, is there any way to do it right now?

Gab is a fork of Mastodon and it’s still running

Gab doesn't federate with the rest of the activitypub ecosystem.

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by motohagiography »

newacct583 wrote: post #112
motohagiography wrote: post #62

Odd dynamic there as unfortunately, standing on principle means getting martyred, and the quote from the former CEO of, “Over the past few months, I’ve met constant resistance to my product vision, my strong belief in free speech and my view of how the Parler site should be managed” is not CEO level strategic. His investors and board hired him to win, not to pick a principled hill to die on. Martyrs are cheap and nob…

> our societies need tools that can survive popular histrionics. Getting owned by some sanctimonious prick at Amazon is not pro level play. Seems like banning communities that led directly to an insurrection in congress should be one of those tools, no? I mean, that part was a bit more than just "histrionics" by "sanctimonious pricks". I know you won't buy this because of the environment that we find ourselves in, bu…

I'd argue the insurrection narrative is as much of a farce as Kim Jong Il hitting 11 hole-in-one strokes on a golf course, because if you voice doubt about the absurdity of the claim, it marks you as a dangerous subversive. Everybody knows it, and they're just too afraid to say so because they're worried they will get put on a list. Some conspicuously unarmed people trespassed and even managed to bring camera crews.

Tech companies make these grand unctuous gestures because it distracts from how awful they know they already are. Everybody knows. The Parler CEO failed to create an alternative platform because he thought he could bargain with people who are not only not-above mendacity and deception, but it is their stock in trade. He's just a coach who lost in the play-offs due to unforced errors.

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by judge2020 »

gkoberger wrote: post #101
grensley wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you imagine being the CTO of this company, kind of cruising along in the modern integration focused environment? You need an email provider (looks like they used SendGrid) a 2FA provider (Twilio), hosting (AWS), apps (Apple, Google), internal chat (Slack), etc. Now imagine all of those services say "nah, you're done". All of the sudden you need to roll your own everything. You have millions of users and no acce…

Eh every similar platform, such as Gab, was "deplatformed" so it feels like they should have seen it coming.

Exactly, the story of Parler sounds like it was just a trojan horse to ignite the 'deplatforming' debate on the world stage, or at least in the U.S. which is largely unique in the belief that you can say whatever you want without consequence (at least for a double-digit percentage of the population).

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by [deleted] »

dralley wrote: post #147
skynet-9000 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. I read the AWS response. Nothing there seemed to be much worse than I've seen on Twitter (actually, Twitter stuff was far worse). Regardless, this is besides the point: all a competitor has to do is post some garbage and point to it, and boom, you're dead. That's not ok.

>Regardless, this is besides the point: all a competitor has to do is post some garbage and point to it, and boom, you're dead. That's not ok. In this case, they pointed to it weeks prior and it wasn't removed.

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Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by dmix »

judge2020 wrote: post #152
echelon wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder whose side the FSF would take. Amazon shouldn't be making these decisions, and certainly not without giving the other party ample time to make other arrangements. This should have been litigated in court prior to taking deplatforming actions. Imagine if Amazon was a Chinese company and Parler hosted information about the plight of the Uyghur people. Community websites have the right to enforce rules. I'm not…

> Amazon shouldn't be making these decisions, and certainly not without giving the other party ample time to make other arrangements Amazon is still working with Parler to export their data off of AWS. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/johnpaczkowski/amazon-p... > We will ensure that all of your data is preserved for you to migrate to your own servers, and will work with you as best as we can to help your migratio…

Taking the services entirely offline then giving them a few weeks to access archived data does not entirely cover the definition of (at least in my opinion):

> not without giving the other party ample time to make other arrangements

Going entirely offline like that can easily destroy a web business. Or at a minimum seriously harm them.

Not to say I care much for Parler's technical nor administrative approach to providing free speech.

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by skynet-9000 »

dralley wrote: post #147
skynet-9000 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. I read the AWS response. Nothing there seemed to be much worse than I've seen on Twitter (actually, Twitter stuff was far worse). Regardless, this is besides the point: all a competitor has to do is post some garbage and point to it, and boom, you're dead. That's not ok.

>Regardless, this is besides the point: all a competitor has to do is post some garbage and point to it, and boom, you're dead. That's not ok. In this case, they pointed to it weeks prior and it wasn't removed.

Amazon claims this, and Parler disputes that this was brought to their attention. (it's not easy to ramp up moderation overnight -- and FB/Twitter have consistently had far worse, even with far larger moderation teams.)

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by bbreier »

echelon wrote: post #148
judge2020 wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AWS provided multiple times over evidence of violent content that was against their policies and asked Parler to step up moderation, which didn't happen. AWS arguments: https://twitter.com/KYWeise/status/1349200096345296897?s=20 > Parler itself has admitted it has a backlog of 26,000 reports of content that violates its (minimal) community standards that it had not yet reviewed https://twitter.com/KYWeise/status/1349…

I wonder whose side the FSF would take. Amazon shouldn't be making these decisions, and certainly not without giving the other party ample time to make other arrangements. This should have been litigated in court prior to taking deplatforming actions. Imagine if Amazon was a Chinese company and Parler hosted information about the plight of the Uyghur people. Community websites have the right to enforce rules. I'm not…

AWS is not a common carrier

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by judge2020 »

wmf wrote: post #111
devwastaken wrote: post #59

Wow, they can't figure out how to colocate a server? There are plenty of companies that would love to be the hosting face of Parler and agree with its userbase.

It's more like 200-300 servers which would take months even to buy, let alone actually installing them.

Their actual hardware requirements:

https://twitter.com/GreggHoush/status/1351923104403116032?s=...

I have a hard time this is their actual needs in terms of servers - their video ingest pipeline sounded like it was just throwing videos on s3, and it didn't look like they were doing any transcoding at all (plus not removing photo or video metadata). 73tb of ram for distributed pgsql also sounds excessive.

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