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Uighur camp detainees allege systematic rape

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New atrocity propaganda by Tursunay Ziyawudun 2019 “I was taken to a hospital to undergo a [sterilization] operation, but because I have always suffered from a gynaecological condition the doctor said I could suffer complications that include death, so they spared me,” she said. 2020 she was injected until she stopped having her period, and kicked repeatedly in the lower stomach during interrogations. She now can’t h…

I never realized those stories were told by the same person.

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Germany is pathetic and spineless for letting the EU-China deal go through. Never again never meant shit, it was just virtue signaling, a lie, a fraud. Because it is happening again and Germany is using the same old spineless appeasement tactic that was taken with Nazi Germany.

If you are a German citizen you really need to ask yourself how you can change your voting behaviour to ensure that the people who made the EU-China deal happen never have political power again.

If good people stand by and do nothing while genocide is happening, they are not good people because good people don't tolerate genocide.

And the pipeline deals that Germany have with Russia is also messed up. Western Europe has to find a backbone and soon, and stand up to totalitarian regimes and dictators. If Europe fails to be a bulwark against this scourge then it will consume Europe also.

EDIT: Just to be clear, I don't suggest the west should invade china or it's proxies, or start wars, or start proxy wars. But is not making deals with a genocidal state that much to ask? Is maybe sanctions too much to ask for? Is clear an unequivocal support for Taiwan with mutual defence pacts too much to ask for?

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It's interesting how common to see on somewhere like reddit "if Hitler was alive today I'd go shoot him/whatever/blah blah blah" but I think the general sentiment that people wouldn't stand for another holocaust today is pretty widely accepted. And yet here we are with it happening in plain sight and it doesn't seem to bother too many people.

It's not quite another holocaust. The closest we've had in recent times was the 'Genocide of Yazidis by ISIL' and while the world was a bit slow to react they did eventually go kill most of ISIL which is probably the appropriate response to that.

I'm not quite sure what's appropriate for China and the Uighurs - it's not quite bad enough to bomb China but some serious trade sanctions could be in order.

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Wikipedia reports that Han and Uighur are mutual friends socially in their home region (around 70% and 80% reported some relationships), and also notes some historical issues, but nothing contemporary. Why does China govt hate them so much, uncut version?

> Why does China govt hate them so much, uncut version?

Not sure anyone but Xi Jinping can answer that, but I think the main issue is that Islam is incompatible with the CCP. I think most belief systems which assert that morals are objective are similarly incompatible.

You cannot believe that the CCP is the final arbiter of moral good if you believe that god is the final arbiter of moral good. And the CCP cannot accept any other final arbiters of moral good than the CPP because then they can't run rough shot over their population.

Just to clarify, I'm not religious myself, but I do see morality as objective.

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I don't understand how so many countries would not ban together to stand up to China. Why won't they do it? This literally seems like a modern day concentration camp without the death.

The Trans-Pacific Partnership TPP was a big attempt by the US political establishment to economically isolate China with most of Asia. Unfortunately, because it was also designed to bypass the US voter, it was not very popular.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> which China says exist for the "re-education" of the Uighurs and other minorities. Even China does not deny the camps. The disagreement almost seems to depend on whether "re-education" is considered sinister. In the West? Obviously. In China? That is apparently a normal thing to admit to doing.

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It is sinister because re-education camp is a euphemism for concentration camp.

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post #47

It's interesting how common to see on somewhere like reddit "if Hitler was alive today I'd go shoot him/whatever/blah blah blah" but I think the general sentiment that people wouldn't stand for another holocaust today is pretty widely accepted. And yet here we are with it happening in plain sight and it doesn't seem to bother too many people.

> it doesn't seem to bother too many people. Articles like this making the news says otherwise. It's hard to defend the CCP when they imprison people for no other reason than having a culture that's different from the CCP.

It's good to see articles, but they don't amount to much if it doesn't actually change things. The impression I get is that China is important enough to the economic bottom-line that nobody, whether Apple or Hollywood, will go for a substantial response.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

donation page reads: "Your support will allow us to: - Provide emergency humanitarian relief for Uyghur refugees - Interview concentration camp survivors and help tell their story to the world - Campaign to end "business as usual" while Uyghurs are suffering crimes against humanity" Which one these do you despise exactly?

Trust everything you read on the Internet, sure.

Why don't you petition the PRC government to open up the area to trustworthy reporters and to cease reprisals against locals who speak to them? You claim you're Chinese, so that's your right per Article 41 of the constitution.

Pretty much anyone out of Xinjiang who criticizes the government has increased credibility because of all the attempts to suppress information. If you think this group has issues, your bitching is going to fall on deaf ears unless the situation on the ground changes.

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post #9

Wikipedia reports that Han and Uighur are mutual friends socially in their home region (around 70% and 80% reported some relationships), and also notes some historical issues, but nothing contemporary. Why does China govt hate them so much, uncut version?

> Why does China govt hate them so much, uncut version?

They do not. Many of the men raping Uighur women are socially friends with Uighurs. Many of them are Uighurs themselves. Some of them are probably socially friends with the women they're raping.

They're not raping women because that's somehow part of the Chinese government's plan to assimilate Uighurs, rather, they're doing it because they want sex, they're in a position to get it, they're not going to take no for an answer, and they think they can get away with it.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were several terrorist attacks by Uighur separatist groups. The Chinese authorities use Western War on Terror rhetoric to justify the ethnic cleansing, warrantless mass-surveillance and censorship. It's a shame Western states institute the repressive laws that they do, as for the most part, the Western states are vastly better than the CCP on civil liberties, and the few deviations from an otherwise strong comm…

It doesn’t seem enough to blame the entire group. Terrorist attacks are often nation- or religion-related, but no one in the world takes course to destroy all the population, as the article states. It would also be nice if other people who are annoyed by my genuine question answered it or explained what’s wrong with it.

> It doesn’t seem enough to blame the entire group.

It actually does the opposite, and takes care to not blame the entire group. Right after 9/11, I remember two main domestic messages:

1. A LOT of flag waving. Like, flags on everything.

2. Islam is a religion of peace/Al-Qaeda corrupted Islam/not all Muslims are terrorists/condemnation of racist attacks against Muslims, etc.

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