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Dante's descendant seeks to overturn poet's 1302 corruption conviction

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Re: Dante's descendant seeks to overturn poet's 1302 corruption conviction

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Lots of people seemed to appreciate Alan Turing (and lots of other people) being pardoned for something that should never have been a crime in the first place. Basically, it's a very concrete sign of how we want our society to be now.

i.e. rewriting history.

Nope. It's just a symbol of hope, that humanity can improve.

Re: Dante's descendant seeks to overturn poet's 1302 corruption conviction

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1302 to today, that's 36 generations. 2 to the 36th means his descendants today have 1 / 70,000,000,000 of his genetic contribution. I'd say they don't have legal standing.

They have 100% of his name. That is more important than biology to a lot of people.

Re: Dante's descendant seeks to overturn poet's 1302 corruption conviction

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1302 to today, that's 36 generations. 2 to the 36th means his descendants today have 1 / 70,000,000,000 of his genetic contribution. I'd say they don't have legal standing.

A direct paternal-line descendent of Dante, which Sperello Alighieri might very well be, would essentially share a copy of Dante's Y-DNA, which is about 2% of the human genome. This is comparable to something between 2nd cousin (3.13%) and 3rd cousin (1.5%).

Re: Dante's descendant seeks to overturn poet's 1302 corruption conviction

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Are you sure? Italy has a lot of historical continuity. If you go to Rome, the manhole covers read SPQR (Senatus Populusque Romanus). IIRC the government of Florence still works from the buildings of the Uffizi.

I was disappointed to learn the title of pontifex maximus wasn’t continuous from the Roman era. I mean, if we need an intercalary month, I can’t think of anyone better than Pope Francis to decide that.

The church is continuous from the Roman era though. Both in the East and the West.

Re: Dante's descendant seeks to overturn poet's 1302 corruption conviction

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Is this necessary? This article from 2008 seems to indicate that his sentence had been rescinded. https://web.archive.org/web/20111230060902/http://www.telegr... Also, it looks like he was convicted under the Holy Roman Empire, which doesn't really exist anymore. I'm not sure who there is to overturn his conviction.

I mean they did this: https://apnews.com/article/9b6f6f5ba5be2408ff0502c7fb8abd5b

Seems silly. Should they overturn Jesus' conviction too? At a certain point the conviction is part of their story.

Re: Dante's descendant seeks to overturn poet's 1302 corruption conviction

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure? Italy has a lot of historical continuity. If you go to Rome, the manhole covers read SPQR (Senatus Populusque Romanus). IIRC the government of Florence still works from the buildings of the Uffizi.

I was disappointed to learn the title of pontifex maximus wasn’t continuous from the Roman era. I mean, if we need an intercalary month, I can’t think of anyone better than Pope Francis to decide that.

What is an intercalary month and why might we need one?

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Because it matters to his descendants?

After 600 years I would hope it’s below these peoples’ noise floor. Then again I’m more interested in my reputation regarding things I have done rather than things someone else did.

You would think so, but probably no. I'm not someone that directly cares about the many inter-Tuscan historical grievances, but when I leave the Florence area for, say, the nearby province of Pistoia I feel more in foreign land than in London or Berlin.

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i.e. rewriting history.

Nope. It's just a symbol of hope, that humanity can improve.

Humanity improves by improving forward, not by changing the meaning of historical events.

Re: Dante's descendant seeks to overturn poet's 1302 corruption conviction

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of people seemed to appreciate Alan Turing (and lots of other people) being pardoned for something that should never have been a crime in the first place. Basically, it's a very concrete sign of how we want our society to be now.

i.e. rewriting history.

How is saying that some past act was wrong "rewriting history"?

Rewriting history would be saying that the past act never happened.

Re: Dante's descendant seeks to overturn poet's 1302 corruption conviction

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1302 to today, that's 36 generations. 2 to the 36th means his descendants today have 1 / 70,000,000,000 of his genetic contribution. I'd say they don't have legal standing.

A direct paternal-line descendent of Dante, which Sperello Alighieri might very well be, would essentially share a copy of Dante's Y-DNA, which is about 2% of the human genome. This is comparable to something between 2nd cousin (3.13%) and 3rd cousin (1.5%).

Would you care to elaborate? You're talking about the Y of the XY chromosomes?
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